so what you're saying is that it's ok to have sex with your sister if you live in a particular part of the country?
Ah, no it was a joke.
if it's wrong to do, then it's wrong to think about. if it's wrong in action then it's wrong in your head. why entertain thoughts of doing anything that you think is wrong or hurtful? do you think about killing people too? molesting children or abusing animals?
So you are equating having lustfull thoughts the same as having thoughts about murdering someone, having sex with children or abusing animals. That is way off topic and has nothing to do with sexual desire for another woman or man.
what's a marriage to you, some obligation? some reluctant commitment because you have kids and some piece of paper? it doesn't make sense.
Well even with all my evilness and sinfull thoughts I have manage to be married for 15 years. Something that the self proclaimed religious and pure I know have failed to do, multiple times over. This is my one and only marriage. Never cheated on my wife except in my mind and never plan to. But I know and understand who I am and know I will continue to have lustfull thoughts about others.
so i'll pull out the daughter card. do you have a daughter? well, if you do, or if you did, would you want some man to value her, and want to fuck her, just because she was good looking? would you want a man to even look at her with those thoughts or intentions?
I do and they will. I can't control what others think about my daughter. I will tell you this, I want her to be happy, I am not asking her to live a certain way. If she and another man or woman for that matter want to have a purely sexual relationship and she is happy with that I'm ok. If on the other hand they are abusing her physically then there is no place on earth they will be able to hide from me.
like you admitted, if you weren't married, things would be different.
yes because I would be single and could date again. That's all.
listen mister, i am someone's daughter, and i know damn well what it feels like to be treated that way by men. when i was young, i'll never forget how horrified i was to find that men can be so shallow and abusive. here in all my naivety, i expected to be valued as a whole person and for men to actually want to get to know me and what i'm about. to value my intellect, my heart, and to care about me as a person. HORRIFIED, and i'm not the only little girl who's felt that way. and we keep it inside. we were wrong.
I can't speak for your experience, and I don't expect you to explain it further unless you want to. But men and women are different, it's not right or wrong it's just the way it is, it's the reality.
How men think and why is not the same as abusing someone. If your in a relationship that isn't working becuase you don't feel the other person is treating you as you want to be treated then leave, if they are abusing you, you must leave. One relationship doesn't make all men.
i think it's quite amusing that you want to talk to me about what is "natural". so tell me what is natural about birth control? what is natural about abortion for god's sake?
Neither of those are natural but they have nothing to do with lustfull thoughts. On a side note, if people were to use birth control properly and consistently, abortions would be very rare.
i know many men who are evolved, and care, and don't desire to treat other people like objects for their gratification
Exactly, but like me, who has worked with women for 20+ years and have been able to behave myself and carry myself as a gentlemen who doesn't treat women as objects in life, still has lustfull thoughts about women I am attracted to. It is not an either or. You are making an assumption that these men you speak of do not have these thoughts, maybe of you.
Why do you think men and women ask each other out ? Do you or do they get to fully know each other in depth before you ask or are asked out. ?
What is the initial thing that drives that ?
Physical and/or emotional attraction of some combination. Then you find out what they are really all about, not the other way around. It has been that way forever.
see a majority of people who are not interested to stand for what's right. well i am because i give a shit, and it's not some rule i follow or some reluctant obligation that i have to fight. i truly want what is good and what is best for all of us. the path is narrow. and i believe that my life and my intentions are important, and that they mean something. i'm on the path and because of it, i will help change this world. and then people won't feel used and they won't feel worthless and unfulfilled, they'll be valued and appreciated for all of who they are, and they won't suffer, and no children will be unwanted, and people will achieve true and whole intimacy through honesty and pure intentions.
So you think because I admit to having desires and lustful thoughts about women I am attracted to that I don't want to see the end of the suffering. That I am somehow not human even as I admit that I am. That I don't care about children in poverty and children who are unwanted. You don't know me or my history to claim this and if you knew me well you would not make the assumption.
I applaud any effort you offer society to help alleviate these issues.
But asking for the lustfull thoughts in men and in women is like asking women to stop wanted to have babies. It's too much to ask, it is fighting our most powerfull instincts.
In fact, it is wrong to try and end it because it would mean the end of humans.