The Truth about Freemasons - By Saladin Bin-Qasim

DiamondHearts said:
9/11 was a ploy by the government to get fools to believe that Muslims want to somehow kill them because they (get this) hate their way of life and freedom. A lie only fools would believe.
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As the Quran says:

"Bring your proofs, if ye be truthful."

And don't you yourself rail against the kind of freedoms Westerners have? Don't you say that the "natural state" of mankind is in slavery to this god of yours?

Is it hard, arguing out of both sides of your mouth? With one side you deny; the other, decry.

Geoff
 
DiamondHearts has a Valid Point here........... You Can't Group "Muslim" and Expect that they all Practice the same thing. Its another Simple Case of All Poodles are Dogs, but not all Dogs are Poodles. So! Lets Take ALL the EXTREMISTS and Oil Hungry "bush's" Out there, Set them Free in the Sahara with Weapons and Figure this out on their own *Wink*... Sound better?
 
c7ityi_ said:
I was just wondering why you call people Muslims who don't follow the teachings of Islam?

You know, I've heard that Islam is a religion of peace. But maybe I'm just ignorant about it.
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Read the Quotes from the Koran the extremist Muslims who go out and spread terror upon the infidels ARE TRUE Muslims because they are following the commands of the Koran to engage in Jihad. The false Muslims are the ones who do not engage in Jihad. They are the ones that twist their Koran so that they can avoid being killers. So it is the exact opposite to Christianity. True Christians follow the call of Jesus not to engage in warfare but false Christians rebel against the Word of God and take part in warfare.

So

True Christian: peaceful Loving enemies follows the call of Jesus.
False Christian: violent warrior Kills the unbelievers

True Muslim: violent warrior kills the unbelievers follows the call of muhammad.
False Muslim: peaceful loving enemies.

Of course not all Muslims are blood thirsty lovers of war, because not all muslims are muslims.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
DiamondHearts said:
It is quite interesting to note, Muslims did not invade the West, but it is the West which invaded Muslim countries and other nations.

Who is barbaric is subject to history, and this proves that the West is far more barbaric and heartless than any other culture on earth. It is time to recognize your failings and guilt and leave Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of aspiring world alone.
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Amazing how brain washed some people are. islamic invaders almost made it to Paris, Venice and Vienna. They subjugated many European peoples under their terror.

What a compulsive liar.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
PHPlatonica said:
DiamondHearts has a Valid Point here........... You Can't Group "Muslim" and Expect that they all Practice the same thing. Its another Simple Case of All Poodles are Dogs, but not all Dogs are Poodles. So! Lets Take ALL the EXTREMISTS and Oil Hungry "bush's" Out there, Set them Free in the Sahara with Weapons and Figure this out on their own *Wink*... Sound better?
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I agree that not all muslims are extremist, but there is an undercurrent of extremism and religious fascism there that's staggering.

Geoff
 
GeoffP said:
I agree that not all muslims are extremist, but there is an undercurrent of extremism and religious fascism there that's staggering.

Geoff
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VERY TRUE! :D
 
Adstar said:
Amazing how brain washed some people are. islamic invaders almost made it to Paris, Venice and Vienna. They subjugated many European peoples under their terror.

What a compulsive liar.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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hey Where The hell Have YOU been For the Past Two thousand Years?? Uhm.. Did you Hear about this Strange thing Called the CRUSADES? Done in the Name Of Jesus?Or Maybe the Inquisitions?... SALEM Witch Trials Any one??... All Done in the Name of CHRISTIANITY??.............. So Your a Stupid Hypocrite Adstar, Do you Think Jesus Would really be happy about you Boast your self so highly?? I mean.. your not Being very Christian now ARE YOU.... *Cooing Like a baby*.... Please.. You have To Trash Muslims to Hide the Shame Of the past Two Hundred years done under the name of Jesus Christ. Don't Even try to Go there. At least Diamond has Things to Backup the statements Made... But incase you missed this Lesson in Sunday School Heres some Quotes from YOUR Bible Maybe you will remember them, then you Re question your OWN Faith and Behavior Before you Attack any one else's belief with.. BULL SHIT>... You Smell that? because that Pile is Half Coming from you.

The Bible, Matthew 17:20: Bible Quotes
I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there" and it will move.

The Bible, 1 John 3:18 NRSV: Bible Quotes
Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.

The Bible, Judges 5:31: Bible Quotes
May they who love you be like the sun when it rises in its strength.

Jonathan Swift: Bible Quotes
May you live all the days of your life.

The Bible, Job 34:3 NIV: Bible Quotes
The ear tests words as the tongue tastes food.

Jesus: Bible Quotes
The kingdom of Heaven is within you...

Should I go on?
 
Adstar, I respect your religion and I admire Prophet Jesus (peace be to him) as a true prophet of God and an example to all.

However, it is wrong for you to say who is a true Muslim and who is an evil Muslim.

How much do you actually know about Islam? And don't say just enough to know it is wrong.

Let me tell you what I believe.

Good Human being = those who are without bigotry, racism, prejudice and enjoin good and forbid evil

Good Christian = a Good Human being who believes in Christianity and the Bible as the word of God

Good Jew = a Good Human being who believes in Judaism and the Torah as the word of G-d

Good Muslim = a Good Human being who believes in Islam and the Quran as the word of Allah

Just so you get it, Allah = Yehweh = Jehovah = Elohim = God

Peace
 
Here's the actual truth about the freemasons:
They are a group descended from the masonry guilds of the middle ages. They have no real connection to the knights templar. There is no illuminati involving the masons.
If there is an illuminati, what the fuck would construction workers be doing in it? :p

Seriously, the bickering and about a "conspiracy" and "new order" involving the masons and jews is getting a bit old, and not to mention retarded.
 
c7ityi_ said:
In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star.

Many Christians say Lucifer is the morning star. I think it's because of Isaiah 14:12-15

For Christians Lucifer has become identical to satan, although he was actually the lightbringer, but later turned into 'Noctifer'. Like the morningstar, venus. It rises on the morning, and brings the great sunlight, then it brings darkness again.
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Lucifer was the morning star, but I think since he was outcast from heaven, Jesus took his place, and Lucifer, before one of Gods brightest angels, became the devil.
 
DiamondHearts said:
However, it is wrong for you to say who is a true Muslim and who is an evil Muslim.

Good Human being = those who are without bigotry, racism, prejudice and enjoin good and forbid evil

Good Christian = a Good Human being who believes in Christianity and the Bible as the word of God

Good Jew = a Good Human being who believes in Judaism and the Torah as the word of G-d

Good Muslim = a Good Human being who believes in Islam and the Quran as the word of Allah
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But those definitions leave much room for harm. Who gets to define evil? You? You want to kill gay people and apostates, and you don't seem too keen on Jews, either. You say that isn't evil?

If it's wrong for Adstar to say who's a good muslim and an evil one, how can you possibly hope to construct parameters for a good Christian, or a good Jew, or a good human. Moreover, only your definition of a good human includes a rejoinder against evil. That's some very slippery sliding room, legalist.

And actually the Elohim are supposed to be angels, not god.

Geoff
 
DiamondHearts said:
However, it is wrong for you to say who is a true Muslim and who is an evil Muslim.
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Isn't it a contradiction in terms to have an "evil Muslim?"

How much do you actually know about Islam? And don't say just enough to know it is wrong.
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One of the many things you fail to understand is that some here know a lot about Islam, long before you came here. It has been a religion recently placed under a microscope for serious scrutiny. We also know a lot about the history of Islam, which despite your denials, is far from any just or noble way of life.

Let me tell you what I believe.

Good Human being = those who are without bigotry, racism, prejudice and enjoin good and forbid evil
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No, this is not what you believe as it contradicts everthing you've said thus far. A good human being, with any brains in their head, would never consider Islam as a way of life as it is devoid of any rationale or reason. It is simply slavery to an imaginary god and a way to justify anything you want that suits your needs of the moment.

Good Christian = a Good Human being who believes in Christianity and the Bible as the word of God

Good Jew = a Good Human being who believes in Judaism and the Torah as the word of G-d
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As was already pointed out, you can't tell someone else it's wrong for them to say who is a good Muslim and who is not when you sit there telling us who is a good Christian or Jew and who is not. You're a fucking hypocrite.

Good Muslim = a Good Human being who believes in Islam and the Quran as the word of Allah
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No, a good Muslim is not necessarily a good human being, which has already been shown throughout Islams murderous and barbaric history.

And of course, anyone who doesn't believe in Islam is an infidel who should be killed, according to the Qu'ran. So, according to what you've been telling us all along, the only good people are those devote to Islam, the rest are evil.
 
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Isn't it a contradiction in terms to have an "evil Muslim?"



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Not One Way Is perfect.But Could you imagine if some one who Stood for every thing opposite you came into your home and Beat you Until their ways were met? There was never PROOF that it was Muslims, let alone ALL Muslims. Any one Can Lay Claim on a "Group" or a Belief and interpret it the way they want it interpreted... But the Bottom Line is When Some one Else's beliefs strike and Harm another who does not believe, then isn't it "Obvious" who is "Evil"??? So There are Bad People in Every groups. It seems Convenient to Place Blame on an Entire "group", That way you an just take them ALL out with out having to Pick apart Who is Doing the Actual Harm. It's Bending Views to Match your Own And then Forcing them onto Others Who Have no Concept of your View. So Wouldn't it be Easier if Troops just left this "War"... There are Extremists in Every "group".. But When a Way, or a Belief is Forced on another person then that line has been Crossed.... We Need to Stop playing a name Game On Religion, And start looking at the Obviousness of the Truly BAD things that are happening.... I can't Stress Enough about the Serious Crimes Done Unto the Jews, Do We Really Need to Repeat that With Muslims? If a Society Is sick enough to Do that again, than chances are, just like the 3 Reich(SP??), they will turn in on You Later.... We can't Go in Blaming any "group".. There has to be another way before all this, that we know, is Gone forever. History is Repeating it'sellf... Openly and in our Faces. Its a Matter of time when your Beliefs are brought Down as well because they Do not match that of the Powerful. Face it We have been Lied too By Bush Over and Over.. From the First Elections to Now. He defies the UN, He has No Proof with the Claims He has Made. And we Are Still Freaking about Muslims? Think... Its Right there, in Our Faces. Putting Beliefs aside For now, and attacking the Obvious is what we should be Doing. Before it's To late for all of us.
 
PHPlatonica said:
Any one Can Lay Claim on a "Group" or a Belief and interpret it the way they want it interpreted... But the Bottom Line is When Some one Else's beliefs strike and Harm another who does not believe, then isn't it "Obvious" who is "Evil"??? So There are Bad People in Every groups. It seems Convenient to Place Blame on an Entire "group", That way you an just take them ALL out with out having to Pick apart Who is Doing the Actual Harm. It's Bending Views to Match your Own And then Forcing them onto Others Who Have no Concept of your View.
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It is the believers who are doing the interpreting. They interpret myths as reality and then go on to make it a way of life. And they can interpret those myths anyway they wish. THAT is pure evil.
 
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