§outh§tar said:
Bruce Wayne, alas, it seems you have been fooled for a time. Please do not stoop to pride.
There are matters one must feel pride in. Do you no feel proud you believe??
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Is the Qur’an from God?
Inasmuch as the Qur’an declares itself to be a revelation from God, we have every right to examine this claim.
You have the right to refuse it.
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If the book does not meet the standard that one has a right to expect from a document that claims to be from Heaven, it must be rejected as false, and its weaknesses should be exposed.
Do tell me what those standards are.
§outh§tar said:
Geisler and Saleeb review eight lines of argument that are employed to demonstrate that the Qur’an is sacred. These may be summarized as follows:
let's see.
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1. The Qur’an’s unique literary style is such that it could have been authored only by God (10:37; 17:88).
good.
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2. Since Mohammed was an “unlettered Prophet,” he could not have produced the book himself (7:157).
good.
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3. The claim is made that the Qur’an is the only book that has been preserved in its “exact original form” (Haneef, 19).
good. Althug it doesn't exactly say that. It says it will be perserved and protected.
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4. The Qur’an is believed to contain prophecies that demonstrate its inspiration.
good.
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5. Its alleged unity, or lack of “discrepancy” (4:82), is supposed to argue for its divine origin.
good.
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6. The Qur’an is allegedly marked by a scientific accuracy and foreknowledge that can be explained only in terms of inspiration.
good.
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7. Supposedly the Qur’an is characterized by a mathematical precision based upon the number nineteen.
Now here your guy lets you down. This testifies that this man doesn't know the simplest thing about Islam. If he can come up with this, how can he be trusted to explain the arabic accuracy of the Qur'an?? The number 19 is a tenet of the belief of one of the sects just like those that rap about "wholeness".
Not Islam
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8. It is argued that the Qur’an has changed lives, thus it must be sacred (pp. 181-203).
No that is not true. It has changed lives because uit is true. But other -less truthfool- books, such as the bible or faust, have changed lives too as do many others book that don't even set to change lives.
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When these arguments are critically examined they simply do not establish the case.
Are you saying the claims are not correct or that they do not suffice?
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For example: The Qur’an does not have a profound literary style. It is characterized by numerous grammatical aberrations.
Now your man fails you again. The Qur'an is the basis on which the Arab grammar is derived. You should not be fooled by this charlatan.
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Moreover, as McClintock and Srong observed, “it is exceedingly incoherent and sententious, the book evidently being without any logical order of thought either as a whole or in its parts” (V.151).
I already explained this to Randolfo and It makes sense and it is precise.
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The so-called “prophecies” are merely vague political speculations that do not even begin to rival biblical prophecy – either in precision or in chronological proximity to the events they supposedly depict (cf. 30:2-4).
That is a claim that I see no arguments for. Do try and read about it and post.
Also that prophecy was clearly accurate. It even has a nice thing in it. It says that the battle area is the "adna al-Ard". Adna in Arabic means nearest and
lowest. Now it has been proven to be the lowest point on the earth surface.
About the biblical prophecies. Wasn't Jesus -peace be upon him- suppose to come back before hios adepts could go through the cities of Israel.
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Scientific accuracy can hardly be claimed when the Qur’an suggests that the human fetus results from “sperm” that changes into “a clot of congealed blood,” which then becomes bones, later to be covered with flesh (23:14).
Specialized doctors seemed convinced it was true. Since I have not studied the matter before I will opt to go with them (after all, I am biased too)
And who may I ask, gives christians the right to speak about science. After all the mutilation of science the bible commits. Dude, If your house is made of glass, don't throw stones at the house of others.
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The Qur’an is morally flawed in numerous respects. For example, those who oppose Mohammed should be subjected to “execution [i.e., decapitation], or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hand and feet from opposite sides . . .” (5:36).
Now this is funny. And let this be a lesson to you, never trust blindly! I do however appreciate you precision, albeith it is not complete. The verse indicates that when they shall meet God. Those that do not believe will want to give all the earthly to be spared the eternal punishment.
The verse:
Al-Maeda (The Table, The table spread) 5: verse 36:
"As to those who reject Faith,- if they had everything on earth, and twice repeated, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Judgment, it would never be accepted of them, theirs would be a grievous penalty. "
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Women are treated shamefully in the Moslem religion. If a woman is guilty of “ill-conduct,” she may be admonished, deprived of sex, or beaten – in moderation (4:34).
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=37738
Again it is funny that a christan can come up with stuff like this. Beware that glass house. You are referring to matrimonal problem solving. It is a tad more complicated than what you think.
Shortly, Marriage is based on religion. If man and women are Muslim they will conductordingly. This solves problems such as adultery, finacilal matters, the raizing of childeren and the such..
Now basically there are many protocols to solve problems. Of which is the important mechanism of bringing in one of her family and one of his family. So they can help solve the problem. It is quite intricate. Islam even specifies that how the women should behave when the man is telling her about what happened at work, i.e; listen and raise his moral instead of berating him. And calls for affection and many of the like.
AL-Baqara (the Cow) 2: 187
"They (your wives) are your garment and you are a garment for them."
Basically a religious Muslim family will not easily run in trouble.
If you want more info on this I' ll be happy to oblige.
Now comes the verse. And this is why you should quote the verse (completely)
An-Nisa (The Women) 4:verse 34
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
So if your wife is cheating on you. You don't just beat her up as many would do. But you should talk to her first... God this faith is beautifull!!
Note also, that Islam desn't blame Eve for Adam's action. Also the relation of men and women are equal before God contrary to what the bible claims, i.e; that man was created for God and the women was created for the man.
I'll refrain from breaking your glass house.
Peace be upon you.
