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youreyes said:
"The line for soup is over there, Stockbroker. This is the line for those who will get their soup tomorrow.
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I wonder why no one ever used that quote before you made it up? Could it be that capitalism has been overall a success while communism was a miserable failiure?

Well, at least that's one way Russia has added to the world's store of knowledge - as a lesson of what _not_ to do. We will see if Putin learns the lessons of history or merely repeats history's mistakes. So far he looks eager to go for a repeat.
 
West propaganda doing its work. Ukraine is loosing its control over East and will continue on doing so, no matter what sanctions Obama with NATO comes up with.
 
and how will the east (of Ukraine) survive without it's west? It's mines were amongst the worlds deadliest with around 300 deaths a year they are notoriusly under financed they are also partially flooded (a problem that's going to get worse before it gets better). Also the reason why no investments where being made in the safety of these mines (even tough Kiev payed for that) is because these mines are runed mafia style. then theirs the damage to the infrastructure and the fact 300 000 peope have left the area (it's not certain they will return)
 
orcot said:
and how will the east (of Ukraine) survive without it's west? It's mines were amongst the worlds deadliest with around 300 deaths a year they are notoriusly under financed they are also partially flooded (a problem that's going to get worse before it gets better). Also the reason why no investments where being made in the safety of these mines (even tough Kiev payed for that) is because these mines are runed mafia style. then theirs the damage to the infrastructure and the fact 300 000 peope have left the area (it's not certain they will return)
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Are you kidding me? Do you even know about Donbass even the least? Donbass or East Ukraine region is one of the most industrial regions and contains numerous corporations unparalleled to West Ukraine even closely, no wonder most of the Oligarchs are based in East Ukraine. Steel, coal, aeroplane parts, rocket parts, heavy machinery, list goes on...
 
p-brane said:
From putin's own mouth as reported by Russian media:

Putin has called for a discussion on the 'statehood' of eastern Ukraine, Russian media has reported....The Russian President's use of the word 'statehood' comes after he recently referred to regions in eastern Ukraine as "Novorossiya" (New Russia).
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Novorossiya is a self proclaimed identification of the separatist region of East Ukraine, referring to the name carries no ulterior meaning (unlike Americans who use *freedom protesters* for the pro-US people and *rebels/terrorists* for anti-US policy people.
 
youreyes said:
Novorossiya is a self proclaimed identification of the separatist region of East Ukraine, referring to the name carries no ulterior meaning (unlike Americans who use *freedom protesters* for the pro-US people and *rebels/terrorists* for anti-US policy people.
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It is a Russian "self proclamation" of its neighbor's land. And your American claims, as is the norm with you, are ridiculous and totally without merit or evidence.
 
joepistole said:
It is a Russian "self proclamation" of its neighbor's land. And your American claims, as is the norm with you, are ridiculous and totally without merit or evidence.
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I think it is time for NATO troops to go on vacation in Ukraine. Perhaps they can visit with the Russian troops vacationing in Ukraine. Oh the conversations they could have. :)
 
Mark Paslawsky, nephew of Lebed(butcher of jews) , hated russians------

We know almost nothing of the motivations of the factions.
 
sculptor said:
Mark Paslawsky, nephew of Lebed(butcher of jews) , hated russians------

We know almost nothing of the motivations of the factions.
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I don't suppose you have any credible evidence to support any of that crap? :) No you don't because it doesn't exist.
 
From my:
Mark Paslawsky, nephew of Lebed(butcher of jews) , hated russians------
We know almost nothing of the motivations of the factions.

joepistole said:
I don't suppose you have any credible evidence to support any of that crap? :) No you don't because it doesn't exist.
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joe
You should have learned by now not to challenge me or my information.................

You should know that Mark was wespoint, volunteered to fight with an antirussian militia, died "shot in the back", and as quoted from one of his squadmates: “He really hated the Russians. We all hate the Russians.”

You seem a tad hawkish on this subject.
You would choose sides in this stinking quagmire of hatred?
Were you also planning to go and fight there?
Enlist, put your body on the line in support of your words?

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based on your
that crap? :) No you don't because it doesn't exist
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I believe I'm due an apology
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If you're just having fun, that's ok too
 
Are you kidding me? Do you even know about Donbass even the least? Donbass or East Ukraine region is one of the most industrial regions and contains numerous corporations unparalleled to West Ukraine even closely, no wonder most of the Oligarchs are based in East Ukraine. Steel, coal, aeroplane parts, rocket parts, heavy machinery, list goes on...
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The mines are in serious trouble, the industry your talking abouth is energy intensive (and the power plants are not in rebel territory) also the Donbass is a special economic zone (SEZ). In short the region is state sponsord. And then theirs offocurse the history from similar regions (namely North Korea, Transdniestria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia) it has never ever turned out good and has been been catastrofical bad with the exception of Abkhazia (that has the fortune to be slightly worse with no prospects of a better future). Without Ukraines money (and electricity) the region will need to find money to continue not to mention to repair all the damage whilst the people can relativly easly move towards Ukraine or Russia, that means taxes will fall income will fall further and things will turn not so bright. Russia can not provide that can't of money, all the smart people will migrate either to Ukrainia proper, Russia or the EU. And all those that will remain will be the Oliarchs and those to docile to move in a region whose economic value is hard to determine because up to 40% of it could be a shadow economy.

I do believe this post in fundamentaly true but I'm interested in your opinion (in very short terms)
1 the infrastructure is damaged (increasingly) because of the war
2 many mines are badly maintained and are partially (increasingly) flouded
3 the energy necesairy to run it's (heavy) industry does not come from the region
4 it's Special Economic Zones status doesn't provide confidence with investors (not to mention it's history of it and similar breakaway regions)
5 It will be to easy for the (smart) people living there to move to escape the hartship
6 Russia is in competition with Ukraine concerning steel and has recently (July) scrapped a duty free import from Ukrainian steel Putin also suffers a strong Russian steel loby to protect domestic steel
7 Corruption is widespread in the region
 
sculptor said:
From my:
Mark Paslawsky, nephew of Lebed(butcher of jews) , hated russians------
We know almost nothing of the motivations of the factions.



joe
You should have learned by now not to challenge me or my information.................

You should know that Mark was wespoint, volunteered to fight with an antirussian militia, died "shot in the back", and as quoted from one of his squadmates: “He really hated the Russians. We all hate the Russians.”

You seem a tad hawkish on this subject.
You would choose sides in this stinking quagmire of hatred?
Were you also planning to go and fight there?
Enlist, put your body on the line in support of your words?

..............
based on your


I believe I'm due an apology
........................
If you're just having fun, that's ok too
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LOL, and where is the credible proofs? I know who Mark Paslawsky was. I am still waiting for credible proofs of any of your assertions. To date, you yet to proven even one of your delusional rants.
 
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