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on Mark Paslawsky ... died 19 august
according to RT (russias FOX news)
now the new york times
best to yust skip to these
interview
his twitter acount
according to RT (russias FOX news)
aboud uncle
... 2/3 os the articles talks abouth his uncle the comments are also interesting.
now the new york times
best to yust skip to these
interview
his twitter acount
sculptor
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Thanx
Interesting interview
If I read this right, he was a revolutionary as willing to fight Kiev as well as the separatist(do we assume the same for his fellow volunteers?), and is disappointed that Kiev will not commit the Ukraine army.
For their part, Kiev may well be holding the army in reserve to fight the next battle against these revolutionaries. Meanwhile, if the revolutionaries can take care of the separatist problem, with no loss from the regular army, it's a win/win for Kiev.
It's a man that was actually living in Kiev he moved there somwhere afther 1991 and before the conflict (I assume to enjoy a american pension in the country of his ancestors). THeir are actually a few famous ukranians living in the US Mila Kunis from the that 70 show for example. He volunteerd to defend Ukraine but recognizes that something in the country must change, people are tired from the corruption (personal opinion: something that the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement would have helped to solve) he believe the political elite is both corrupt and inept (I believe he is right) and makes interesting observations (for example ones the army takes over a city nobody is fixing things like water and electricity, food is terible and transportation is a nightmare) reading his blog I regret that he died altough if you heard every story of every soldier you would wish they survived.
His uncle might or might not have been Lebed (butcher of jews) but he is not that person nor would he need to take any accountability or be judged for that
The reason why Ukraine doesn't send in the "Full" army is because it needs it's currency stable and drawing all those young men (and women) could lead (or speed up) a economic collapse
His uncle might or might not have been Lebed (butcher of jews) but he is not that person nor would he need to take any accountability or be judged for that
The reason why Ukraine doesn't send in the "Full" army is because it needs it's currency stable and drawing all those young men (and women) could lead (or speed up) a economic collapse
There is nothing in any of Orcot's posts which supports your assertions. I am still waiting credible proofs from you. There is no indication Paslawsky was biased against Russians. There is no indication Paslawsky was a "revolutionary" as you have claimed. There is every indication he was a Ukrainian patriot. There is nothing to indicate Paslawsky did anything untoward.
Here is a little history lesson for you, the president of Ukraine fled the country under threat of indictment and impeachment for murder. He was removed by office by an elected parliament, not by revolutionaries and fled to Mother Russia. The "revolutionary" tag line is being pushed by Mother Russia along with many other lies. The current president was elected in open and free elections which were independently monitored. A new parliament will be elected in the coming months. As for the rest, you have some weird conspiracy shit going on between your ears, like for starters, there are no "revolutionaries in Ukraine. There are Ukrainians, Russian mercenaries, and Russians fighting in Ukraine.
He was working as an investment banker working in Ukraine and Moscow.
And there is no proof that his uncle was Lebed. And he certainly wasn’t an anti-Zionist or anti-Jewish or Nazi like, he never would have made it into the US Military Academy much less graduate from it if he had been. The US Army is probably the most racially integration institution in the world.
I fail to see how sending in the full Ukrainian Army would destabilize Ukrainian currency. Military deployment has little to do with currency. Financing a military is another story, which I think is your point. But Ukraine is now receiving billions in aid packages from Europe and the US which should mitigate any monetary pressures resulting from military expansion. Ukraine is fighting for its survival as an independent nation. Ukraine’s primary concern now should be survival. Everything else is secondary.
Ukraine needs to expand its military, and it is doing so. But it takes time. It takes about 2.5 to 3 months to complete basic training (i.e. to train a basic infantryman or sailor). It takes longer still to train specialists like missile operators, pilots, demolitions personnel, artillerymen, etc. And let’s remember it takes time to construct new training facilities. This invasion began 5 months ago and caught Ukraine totally unprepared and as a result Ukraine is facing enormous obstacles building its military. Rapidly building a military under duress isn’t the easiest of tasks. And Ukraine was starting from very close to zero. It didn’t have much of a military.
One final point, Sculptor assumed Ukraine wasn't throwing all of its military might against Russia, holding something in reserve. I am not sure that is the case. I don't know what military assets Ukraine has or how they are deploying those assets and I am pretty sure they are not going to tell me. And there are good military reasons for holding reserves. Sculptor's assertion, like his many others, is likely wrong - at least in the sense that he is using it (i.e. to foment a nefarious conspiracy). Ukraine is a big country, and its military certainly doesn't want to be out flanked. Before this crisis, Ukraine only had 130k active military personnel and only 50k deployed. Now, it does have the potential to build a 7 million man military, but that takes time, and it will not happen over night.
Might be 55 is a bit young to be retired (it's not that inportant)
my point was that it doesn't matter who his uncle was and I refuse to look it up, it shouldn't matter. cough cough **ferguson** cough okay that's a police example but it shows part of human nature this is a problem everywhere and it's human nature from the authorities to not want to see this (I believe it's the combination that's worst).
that's a scarry tought isn't it but what if the majority of your enemies also happen to be ukranian? I don't think open war is the solution tough it's Ukraine they should already have people in the area. Had they protected their borders and issued media campagnes, corruption is terrible in the east the son of the former president took half of the construction contracts, mines are run badly with a average of 300 deaths a years. It's clear that Russia can not (or will not) help them with these issues.
Meanwhile the EU does have a history of cracking down on corruption (not that they are free of it but situations like the rise of the oligarchs is inpossible in it's borders). Examples like Romania shows promising steady progress that altough it looks weak forces the politicians to play nicer and makes them think twice before they try any new shit (firing every corrupt person is yust not realistic)
I think that somebody who fought with the american army would believe that the ukranian army is holding back on full force. Likewise the fact that he didn't see any restoration projects doesn't mean their aren't any, but I believe it was abouth the persons point of view and how people see it on the ground over there (that doesn't necessaryhave to be the reality).
true but their might not be a single true answer.
I must confess I haven't read all his post I only know abouth the Mark Paslawsky case.
Saying he is the nephew of... is a low shot I think and shouldn't matter (true or false)
his "We know almost nothing of the motivations of the factions. "
has a sad ring to it, theirs a serious perception difference between the 2 factions I think. I do believe the average Rus thinks that they are helping. If you can not understand that (I'm one of them) then it means you/we know to little abouth abouth their motivations
this offcourse doesn't mean their motivations are correct tough.
Looks like Nato and Russia may be heading for a game of chicken:
Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- NATO members meeting this week in Wales are expected to create "a very high-readiness force" to deal with Russian aggression in Ukraine, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Monday.
Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- NATO members meeting this week in Wales are expected to create "a very high-readiness force" to deal with Russian aggression in Ukraine, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Monday.
If Putin continues to escalate this, a NATO confrontation will become inevitable. It is just a matter of when. Putin has destroyed any trust which existed between Russia and the rest of the world.
Russian debt has been downgraded. It is only one downgrade away from junk status. And they might get there by week's end. Mother Russia is paying 10% interest on her debt. The US pays a fraction of a percent.
Workaholic
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An open letter to Merkel from former US intelligence officials:
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/01/warning-merkel-on-russian-invasion-intel/
Looks like more "drug users" eh?
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/01/warning-merkel-on-russian-invasion-intel/
Looks like more "drug users" eh?
the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.
is a small group of former officers of the United States Intelligence Community. It was formed in January 2003 as a "coast-to-coast enterprise" to protest the use of faulty intelligence "upon which the US/UK invasion of Iraq was based."
I think they have a right to speak and they are right that a whole lot of misinformation is being spread by both sides. Perhaps it would be best to keep a real good eye on what exactly is happening and how it is happening aftheral Putin might use the same tactics in the baltic. (How are the people being rallied/trained how are they getting paid/fed/moved what exactly is the extend of the Russian support and how do you collect evidence of it.)
Considering it's proven that their are Russians and chechens fighting for the Rebels it's odd that their aren't any baltics fighting in the conflict theirs idiots in every country (look at the Europeans who are fighting for ISIS) if theirs a controlled effort to destabilize countries it might be worrying that someone tells the extremes to stay put.
Then Russia makes statements like these witch is funny but worring if you consider it might be projection looking at the russians youth camps.
is a small group of former officers of the United States Intelligence Community. It was formed in January 2003 as a "coast-to-coast enterprise" to protest the use of faulty intelligence "upon which the US/UK invasion of Iraq was based."
I think they have a right to speak and they are right that a whole lot of misinformation is being spread by both sides. Perhaps it would be best to keep a real good eye on what exactly is happening and how it is happening aftheral Putin might use the same tactics in the baltic. (How are the people being rallied/trained how are they getting paid/fed/moved what exactly is the extend of the Russian support and how do you collect evidence of it.)
Considering it's proven that their are Russians and chechens fighting for the Rebels it's odd that their aren't any baltics fighting in the conflict theirs idiots in every country (look at the Europeans who are fighting for ISIS) if theirs a controlled effort to destabilize countries it might be worrying that someone tells the extremes to stay put.
Then Russia makes statements like these witch is funny but worring if you consider it might be projection looking at the russians youth camps.
Looks more like Russian propaganda playing on ignorance and the gullible through a specious web site, given the organization cited never issued the open letter cited by said web site.
After Russia's most egregious act of aggression in Ukraine, Russia appears to be backing off a bit. A pattern of behavior is developing here. And if I can see it, you damn well know others higher up the food chain can too. Putin is taking 2 or more steps forward and one step backward in an attempt to lessen Western sanctions. His goals haven't changed.
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
Please reread post #884
It was Paslawsky who claimed that Ukraine was not deploying their army.
I was simply quoting from his interview provided by orcot.
And, then posited a potential reason for what Paslawsky was claiming as though he were accurate in his observations.
Joe, it seems that much of what you understand from what you read is really developed in your own mind.
Did you actually watch the interview?
You seem to have abandoned objectivity and clarity of mind.
That's a bit of doublespeak on you part. Truth and reason isn't a bias. Truth and reason doesn't obfuscate.
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
You post as though you think yourself the only arbiter of "Truth and reason".
While, I have a different viewpoint.