Obviously you have your own point of view, a point of view constructed on illogical argument. I didn't invent logical arguement. But I do adhere to it, and you my friend don't.
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Obviously you have your own point of view, a point of view constructed on illogical argument. I didn't invent logical arguement. But I do adhere to it, and you my friend don't.
NATO is now discussing response options to Putin's aggression. I think a rapid response force is likely at the very least followed by stationing more troops on Russia's borders. I would also expect the West to begin arming and training Ukrainian troops as a next step along with further economic sanctions.
A NATO country could send troops into Ukraine and that would be a very significant escallation. NATO membership could be expanded to Georgia and other former Soviet vassel states.
A NATO country could send troops into Ukraine and that would be a very significant escallation. NATO membership could be expanded to Georgia and other former Soviet vassel states.
Sorry but you are wrong. They did that but then they also publish on a eminent attack from Israel onto Iran since 2010. Most of their articles are written by Robert Parry I believe (not certain). ... I believe he's already thinking of the next war. Not A intersting read he stil lives during the cold war and only brushes occasionally with the current reality to compare it with the past.
Ignore him.
Except, I am not wrong. Warisacrime.org is not VIPS. Warisacrine.org is just one of many specious web sites pushing an agenda - not to mention the fact that no intelligence official would write something like what was alleged. Intelligence officers are a bit more intelligent tha that.
Workaholic
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I guess someone needs to hurry up and write a letter to VIPS telling them how "Russian Propaganda" is being spread in their name, because its all over the web:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Me...ence-Professionals-For-Sanity-140831-791.html
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/08/31/germanys-merkel-needs-to-ask-tough-questions-at-nato-summit/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1030337/pg1
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...kel-to-avoid-all-out-ukraine-war-3021720.html
http://www.politicaljack.com/thread...to-merkel-to-avoid-all-out-ukraine-war.74241/
http://fightincockflyer.blogspot.tw/2014/09/veteran-intelligence-professionals-for.html
http://praag.org/?p=15679
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/01/warning-merkel-on-russian-invasion-intel/
Being former intelligence officers and all I'm sure they are already aware of this transgression and are furiously working on an open letter to the public to refute said "Russian propaganda"
LOL, I think not. How about a single credible source instead of this endless Russian propaganda d from specious web sites?
Workaholic
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Your right, Russians have taken over the web...these sites should all be blacklisted. I hope the NSA gets right on it
Your right, Russians have taken over the web...these sites should all be blacklisted. I hope the NSA gets right on it
LOL well if Russians have taken over the web the you should be able to find ONE credible source to back up your Russian propaganda.
Workaholic
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Here is Ray Mcgovern's personal website:
http://www.raymcgovern.com/
Where the open letter to Merkel is listed...
His email and twitter are clearly posted, I'm sure you can write to him and tell him his webpage has been hacked by Russians. LOL!
Why? He doesn't back up your claim. I'll put it to you again, one credible source to back up your claims.
Workaholic
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Uh...he's one of the members of VIPS. His name is clearly posted at the end of the letter to Merkel.
If they didn't write this letter why would he post it on his site?
Again one credible source please.
Workaholic
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Joepistol: "no Intelligence official would write something like what was alleged"
Ray McGovern: Intelligence official, member of VIPS, recently penned the open letter to Merkel.
Website: http://www.raymcgovern.com/
Open Letter Contents:
You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq. We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now.
Photos can be worth a thousand words; they can also deceive. We have considerable experience collecting, analyzing, and reporting on all kinds of satellite and other imagery, as well as other kinds of intelligence. Suffice it to say that the images released by NATO on August 28 provide a very flimsy basis on which to charge Russia with invading Ukraine. Sadly, they bear a strong resemblance to the images shown by Colin Powell at the UN on February 5, 2003 that, likewise, proved nothing.
Ten days later, as they became encircled and/or retreated, a ready-made excuse for this was to be found in the "Russian invasion." That is precisely when the fuzzy photos were released by NATO and reporters like the New York Times' Michael Gordon were set loose to spread the word that "the Russians are coming." (Michael Gordon was one of the most egregious propagandists promoting the war on Iraq.)
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One credible reference please. You obviously don't know what is happening in Ukraine. You don't want to believe what independent journalists have personally wittnesed. You don't want to cherry pick through Putin's well documented statements acknowledging Russian troops inside Ukraine. When you have to ignore credible data from multiple sources as you do, when you have to ignore evidence as you do, there just might be a problem with the veracity of your assertions.
Further, even if your VIPS letter is genuine, you can see how little credibility it has garnished. Merckel along with other European states are preparing further sanctions and increased NATO readiness. Because Merckel and other European leaders are not willfully ignorant.
No rational person wants war. But intelligent folk remember the lessons of WWII. Unfortunately for folks of your ilk and people like Putin, people like Merckel are not stupid.
PS
Those aren't Ukrainian troops in Crimea.
One credible reference please. You obviously don't know what is happening in Ukraine. You don't want to believe what independent journalists have personally wittnesed. You don't want to cherry pick through Putin's well documented statements acknowledging Russian troops inside Ukraine. When you have to ignore credible data from multiple sources as you do, when you have to ignore evidence as you do, there just might be a problem with the veracity of your assertions.
Further, even if your VIPS letter is genuine, you can see how little credibility it has garnished. Merckel along with other European states are preparing further sanctions and increased NATO readiness. Because Merckel and other European leaders are not willfully ignorant.
No rational person wants war. But intelligent folk remember the lessons of WWII. Unfortunately for folks of your ilk and people like Putin, people like Merckel are not stupid.
PS
Those aren't Ukrainian troops in Crimea.
Workaholic
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Your credibility is down the toilet at the moment. You claimed as FACT that VIPS did not write the letter and that has been proven false. Your mountains of evidence amounted to some discredited fuzzy photots.
Its has been both painful and amusing watching you backpedal your way from "Drug's much?" to "even if your VIPS letter is genuine".
Face it there is no Russian invasion and you support warmongers intent on war in Ukraine just as they wanted war in Iraq. You're more of an Obama cheerleader then a progressive. As a true patriot I choose to question what my government tells me before consenting to commit American blood and treasure to meaningless wars to furthur the interest of THE 1%. Apparently you do not.
If there is no Russian invasion how do YOU explain the forcible annexation of Crimea with troops Putin acknowledged were his? How do you explain the press wittnessing Russian troops entering Ukraine with military equipment?
My credibility is just fine thanks. You are the guy crusing specious web sites, believing outrageous baseless claims all the while ignoring credible evidence from multiple sources.
Workaholic
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Pretty much nothing you say has any credence. According to you a Russian invasion going on RIGHT now based on some fuzzy photos. According to you VIPS never wrote that letter. In everyone of your posts you are 100% sure you are correct, except when you are proven wrong.
VIPS has more credibility then some random internet poster joepistol who continues to claim mountains of evidence but can't even provide a molehill's worth.
VIPS also has much more credibility then warmongering progandists such as Aluminum Tubes Micheal Gordon who wrote stories leading us to war in Iraq.
LOL you have proven my point. You ignore overwhelming credible evidence from multiple independent sources in favor of NO evidence and specious speculation and baseless baseless conspiracy crap.
How do you explain Russian soldiers captured by Ukraine inside of Russia who were recently exchanged for Ukrainian prisoners?