http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...es-show-russian-troops-in-and-around-ukraine/
Done, but you really need to do your own thinking and your own research.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...es-show-russian-troops-in-and-around-ukraine/
Done, but you really need to do your own thinking and your own research.
Workaholic
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Telling you to think for yourself is not a personal attack. It is good advice. If more Russians actually thought for themselves and questioned their government, they would be in a much better place.
Next week, NATO will be meeting and I expect, NATO will be arming up reading for fast deployment. NATO states bordering Russia will be getting more troops and more hardware. Ultimately, I wouldn't be surprised to see NATO troops ini Ukraine vacationing with the Russian troops now vacationing in Ukraine.
The question is will Western countries go to maximum sanctions next week? I think they should. I think the West needs to stop pussy footing around and get tough with Putin. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/uk-nato-czech-idUKKBN0GS25920140828 http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World/2014/08/29/Czechs-to-host-planned-NATO-war-games-next-week/
Workaholic
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...es-show-russian-troops-in-and-around-ukraine/
Done, but you really need to do your own thinking and your own research.
This shows a column of trucks moving in ukraine with no other identification to show who drove them...if this is all it takes for you agree to world war 3 then you must have believed the aluminum tubes iraq story as well. Btw i am not russian...
Also these were released yesesterday, why dont you give it more time before declaring victory?
Are you forgetting these fiascos?
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/21/another-nyt-michael-gordon-special/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/w...e-russia-units-to-ukraine.html?ref=world&_r=2
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...resence-of-Russian-forces-in-Eastern-Ukraine#
Well good for you. I guess we will have to take your word for it. There is identification on those trucks. Denial isn’t a river in Egypt friend.
Who is declaring victory or are you making stuff up again?
Ah no, as previously pointed out, there are photos, there are videos, there are eyewitnesses, independent journalists have witnesses Russian troops entering Ukraine. There are NATO photographs. There are captured Russian troops. There are admissions from Russian officials, including Putin (e.g, little green men who Putin first claimed went to their local store and purchased a fully equipped Russian Army while earning less that 8K dollars a year). And you and those like you want to deny all evidence under all circumstances...even when Putin admits he lied (e.g. the little green men in Crimea).
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/21/another-nyt-michael-gordon-special/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/w...e-russia-units-to-ukraine.html?ref=world&_r=2
Workaholic
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You mean you see the russian flag colors in a grainy black and white photo?
Eh declaring victory means you jumping to conclusions based on a story released yesterday... Did you not post it as proof of russian involvment in eastern ukraine?
Here is one of your problems, NEWS, the Russian invasion didn't begin yesterday. This is only the latest piece of news and evidence. It has been ongoing for several months now - one of them damn minor details. The preponderance of evidence is overwhelming.
http://www.newsweek.com/nato-satellites-show-russian-troops-armored-vehicles-inside-ukraine-267339
What you are doing is ignoring all evidence. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/30/w...-captured-by-ukraine-demand-answers.html?_r=0
Workaholic
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You posted a Newsweek article that regurgitates the Washington post article.... Again no Russian flag there...
And what you are doing is ignoring overwhelming evidence. Can you disprove the NATO assessment and evidence? Can you disprove the testimony of 2 independent journalists? Can you disprove the Russian women who have lost loved ones fighting for Putin in Ukraine?
If the Ukrainian Army was losing as you claim, why were Putin's irregulars screaming for assistance from Mother Putin? Why were those same irregulars predicting a Russian invasion before it happened. Why did Mother Putin send in a Russian brigade?
We all know how far the West has its hands into Russian counter government groups. Any circumstantial evidence will be used to discredit the current political agenda of Russia with Ukraine.
NATO assessment is in its own primary agenda to expand its control and finance itself, all of their assessments are for that primary goal.
Who was screaming? This isn't Shakespeare's opera house. Your so called "Putin's irregulars" are Ukraine rebel army and it will wipe out every last Blackwater and Academi hired US corps out of its existence in Ukraine, as well as Ukraine army puppets.
the US. yes russia pushed back the werhmacht. but its was the US that helped arm them. while opening up the western front. while fighting on two fronts ourselves.
so basicly you have no response to being called on your bs?
LOL if Putin's irregulars are Ukrainian why are they led by Russians? Why are they organized and finance and supplied by Putin?
well than if you give me a gun and i go shoot down the Al Quida terrorists down and take down Osama Bin Laden myself. You are the one who did it all, you the supplier took down Osama. Good job, man.
pathetic. Poland fell within seconds of invasion, like a card house, Russia was able to revert the most powerful and technologically advance war machine in the world at the time. You think Von Braun was the only genius engineer of third Reich?
LOL if Ukraine army are indeed Ukrainian why are they lead by Americans? Why are they organized and financed and supplied by Obama?
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-08-29/arm-ukraine-if-you-re-ready-to-fight-for-it
Maidan, an operation planned since year 1992.
from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/us-foreign-aid-ukraine_n_4914682.html
Workaholic
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And by the same token can you disprove the claims made by the original link i posted? Or is your reply merely "drugs much"?
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“We are currently witnessing an epic and historic event. The Ukrainian regular army and the punitive battalions are suffering a catastrophic defeat to the south of Donetsk…..It still is not quite clear how the Junta intends to avoid a complete defeat here…. By squandering the most combat-capable brigades in systematic offensive operations, the Junta sustained enormous losses and at the same time suffered a crushing, purely military defeat. The southern front has collapsed.” – The Southern Front Catastrophe – August 27, 2014″, Colonel Cassad, Military Briefing, Novorossiya, Ukraine
“The reports out of Novorussia (New Russia) are nothing short of incredible… sources are reporting that Novorussian forces have bypassed Mariupol from the north and have entered the Zaporozhie region!” – News from the Front, Vineyard of the Saker
“Over the week of August 16-23, the self-defense fighters of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics seized 14 T-64 tanks, 25 infantry fighting vehicles, 18 armored personnel carriers, one armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicle, one Uragan multiple launch rocket system, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery guns, four D-30 howitzers, four mortars, one ZU-23-2 air defense system and 33 vehicles.” (East Ukraine militias seize large amount of Ukrainian armor, Itar Tass)
Note the images posted in your links may merely be the weapons captured by the self defense forces from the Ukraine army
Except the Ukrainian Army isn't led by or financed or supplied by Americans. Thus far the West and in particular the US has only provided non lethal aid to Ukraine. Now that might change because Putin keeps escalating his troop levels. Putin now by admission of his irregular leaders has a brigade of Russian regular troops fighting in Ukraine while on vacation.
You miss the point. intentionally i think cause your pathological liar.
you most have been educated in russia. your wrong again. poland lasted 1 month and 5 days fighting 3 beligerents. germany, slovkia, and russia. and never officially surrendered. france lasted a week more. against less powerful beligerents and far more allies. [/QUOTE]Russia was able to revert the most powerful and technologically advance war machine in the world at the time.[/QUOTE]actually the main power of the russian military was warm bodies. the german, british, french, american, commonwealth and japanese were all more technologically advanced. hell during the september campaign the polish military was more technologically advanced than russia. russia advantage was going for lower tech but easier to build and maintain weaponary.