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If, as I hypothesized, the intent was to clandestinely evacuate something from that area, we should see a significant change in Russian posture over the next few days, now that they have achieved what they so desperately needed to achieve.

It could be the case. I imagine it would be bodies, both dead and alive.
 
without cooling? doubtfull. The city of luhansk is besieged food and water aren't that odd if you want to draw support for a cause
 
without cooling? doubtfull. The city of luhansk is besieged food and water aren't that odd if you want to draw support for a cause

The question was why not send fully loaded trucks versus the half empty trucks they did send in and the premise was to evacuate something. I speculated it would most likely be bodies both dead and alive. As for not having refrigeration, I don't know that they don't have refrigeration capability.But assuming they don't, it matters little. It's a short trip to the border where refrigeration is available. Families still want a body. And a death is much easier to explain and be believed when you have a body. And the Russian body county is rising.
 
Former American ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, believes there are three reasons for the half empty trucks:

1) Prove he can violate Ukrainian sovereignty at will.
2) Test/bait the Ukrainian military.
3) It was a cover to move Russian troops into the country.

McFaul has the benefit of knowing Putin and his government. McFaul's speculation makes sense to me. It could also be a means to evacuate Putin's leadership. I don't think he wants those folks falling into Ukrainian hands.
 
any toughts abouth the current Russian ambasador I've heard he was the former ukranian and Georgia ambasador. I haven't heard much abouth him
 
any toughts abouth the current Russian ambasador I've heard he was the former ukranian and Georgia ambasador. I haven't heard much abouth him

John F. Tefft is the current ambassador to Russia. He is a career diplomat - nothing real exciting, a nice resume. He is relatively unknown outside of diplomatic circles. But you are correct, he was previously the US ambassador to Ukraine. He was just confirmed last month as the new Russian ambassador. His confirmation, though not controversial, was held up by Senate Republicans for several months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Tefft
 
an inventory was lacking and wouldn't be thrustworthy anyway, who knows what they've loadded in those trucks
 
things go over the border there all the time my gues is because it's so big and showy it's actually food and water
 
As a side note, our new ambassador earns a higher salary than Mr. Putin. But then he doesn't get all the corruption money either.
 
The question was why not send fully loaded trucks versus the half empty trucks they did send in and the premise was to evacuate something. I speculated it would most likely be bodies both dead and alive. As for not having refrigeration, I don't know that they don't have refrigeration capability.But assuming they don't, it matters little. It's a short trip to the border where refrigeration is available. Families still want a body. And a death is much easier to explain and be believed when you have a body. And the Russian body county is rising.

Interesting idea... evacuate illegal soldier corpses to avoid definitive evidence of Russian involvement...hmmm
A few things stand out in my thoughts

Time line (correct me if I am wrong):
  • Commercial airline shot down.
  • Two ? senior rebel military leaders resign!! [ resign in the middle of a war of course - most unusual]
  • Military convoy enters near aid convoy and is apparently destroyed [failed in it' covert objective]
  • Aid convoy then enters illegally then leaves. [ Contents of trucks totally obscured by coverings ]
  • Ukrainian president now calls for a new election in October. (news here 2014-08-26)
  • Major talks Ukraine and Russia very close.

The whole situation is blatantly absurd yet it has happened...
  • Russia annexes Crimea to protect it's major assets.
  • Russia appears to have major assets in the the region the pseudo aid went to.

(Possibly assets that retreated to a last stand position and needed to be removed before the depth of Russian subterfuge is evidenced.)

and what was the supposed cause of this revolution?
According to media here, the Pro Russian Government was over thrown by a Pro Western one.
Hypothetically: the Russian Government lost confidence that their "secret" major assets would be protected by a Pro West Government who are and remain ignorant of those assets so far.

Due to a relatively silent USA who would immediately know about happenings on the ground it appears USA collusion of some sort maybe occurring as well. (deliberately holding the tongue so to speak)

Hopefully now that Russia may feel a bit more secure, Russian build up on the border may stand down a little.
 
Former American ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, believes there are three reasons for the half empty trucks:

1) Prove he can violate Ukrainian sovereignty at will.
2) Test/bait the Ukrainian military.
3) It was a cover to move Russian troops into the country.

McFaul has the benefit of knowing Putin and his government. McFaul's speculation makes sense to me. It could also be a means to evacuate Putin's leadership. I don't think he wants those folks falling into Ukrainian hands.

ah the twitter blogger pushing "democratic agendas" and complaining about his broken fingers taking retribution for his propaganda. He should have left with McDonalds franchise too, the guy represents Obama's destructive cold war politics to its extremes. He belongs in the same dinosaur museum that Dick Chaney, Bush Junior, and others belong to.
 
Hopefully now that Russia may feel a bit more secure, Russian build up on the border may stand down a little.

Poroshenko and his US aid are starting to loose the war, there is a limit to how much this Euromaidan project can push forward. I project the following Scenario: Donetsk is retaken completely, Lugansk stay a rebel territory, Mariupol is taken over by rebel forces and forms a coridor to Crimea, Kharkiv is organized as the next city to follow, after it is Dnepropetrovsk, and after that is Kiev. This will all come to conclusion by February 2015. Poroshenko will run from the country to Britain probably. Meanwhile NATO will install more military presence in neighboring mini countries in Latvia/Estonia/Latvia/Poland and etc.

It is outmost importance to continue this conflict as long as possible so that US runs out of funds.

Poroshenko has already dissolved the parliament, a sign of his mistrust and inability to work as a manager:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/26/ukraine-president-petro-poroshenko-election-october

He is selling his shared in his Roshen company too:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...shen-if-elected-ukrainian-president-bild.html

oh...what does this remind me of? previous Ukraine presidents of course...non-stop corruption and non-stop changing of parliaments...

))) FU USA, eat the GMO chicken yourself.
 
It is outmost importance to continue this conflict as long as possible so that US runs out of funds.
hmmm...
Have you checked how much money they indirectly borrowed from you and the rest of the world already.... if USA goes "bankrupt" then so too does the world generally. Or didn't you know this...?

"No money no honey" for any one comes to mind... [chuckle]
 
John F. Tefft is the current ambassador to Russia. He is a career diplomat - nothing real exciting, a nice resume. He is relatively unknown outside of diplomatic circles. But you are correct, he was previously the US ambassador to Ukraine. He was just confirmed last month as the new Russian ambassador. His confirmation, though not controversial, was held up by Senate Republicans for several months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Tefft

his face says it all about American culture)
Him being in Lithuania as an ambassador in 2000 to 2003 says a lot about his views and his agendas. Expect to see more Navalny like support, democratic tweets, broken foot fingers maybe ja) They should ship him triple size mcfries there.
 
hmmm...
Have you checked how much money they indirectly borrowed from you and the rest of the world already.... if USA goes "bankrupt" then so too does the world generally. Or didn't you know this...?

"No money no honey" for any one comes to mind... [chuckle]

I know...actually this 16 trillion dollar debt US has accumulated does not have to end with war. But US hates being not the first country in the world. Me, I want people to focus on unilateral cooperative business across the world. US has been ties to world economy but the world will survive without it neverthless.
 
I know...actually this 16 trillion dollar debt US has accumulated does not have to end with war. But US hates being not the first country in the world. Me, I want people to focus on unilateral cooperative business across the world. US has been ties to world economy but the world will survive without it neverthless.

Whilst I agree in principle that economic strength needs to be shared globally more, I feel you are being a little idealistic to think it will happen any time soon... also chronically under-estimating just what would happen to the world if the USA went belly up.
 
Whilst I agree in principle that economic strength needs to be shared globally more, I feel you are being a little idealistic to think it will happen any time soon... also chronically under-estimating just what would happen to the world if the USA went belly up.

well has such scenario have been simulated? A report perhaps of US default?

not some little reporter of corse: http://www.forbes.com/sites/igorgreenwald/2013/01/09/why-the-debt-default-is-coming/
 
well has such scenario have been simulated? A report perhaps of US default?

not some little reporter of corse: http://www.forbes.com/sites/igorgreenwald/2013/01/09/why-the-debt-default-is-coming/
I tend to feel that it is unestimate-able in that USA economic influence is significant in just about everything "Russian" so to speak.
A good example of a very much smaller version of a USA melt down could be drawn from the recent Greek experience. With one fundamental difference...
 
I tend to feel that it is unestimate-able in that USA economic influence is significant in just about everything "Russian" so to speak.
A good example of a very much smaller version of a USA melt down could be drawn from the recent Greek experience. With one fundamental difference...

what is this fundamental difference?

Greece hardly has resources. Resources/energy is key to stabilizing a country during hardships.
 
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