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youreyes said:
Look the thing is, Ukranians have had been part of Russia history and Russia has had its origins in Kiev to begin with as Rus. This confrontation that was brought by US and NATO exploits the hard economic problems of Ukraine that uderline it. People want change, that is why this war keeps on going. The 56.9% of Ukranian population are the same Russians, there is no difference.
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where are you getting that number from. only like 17 some percent of the ukrainian population is russian. and ukrainians aren't russian. that you want to steal there country from them doesn't change that fact.


amd the term kievan rus came about in the 19th century with russia trying to coopt ukrainian history and diminsh them as you are trying to.
 
Well the half empty trucks have delivered their cargo and returned to Mother Russia and it remains perplexing as to why Russia would illegally send a convoy of half empty repainted army trucks with military drivers into Ukraine.
 
joepistole said:
Well the half empty trucks have delivered their cargo and returned to Mother Russia and it remains perplexing as to why Russia would illegally send a convoy of half empty repainted army trucks with military drivers into Ukraine.
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Maybe Putin sees them as half full.
 
joepistole said:
Well the half empty trucks have delivered their cargo and returned to Mother Russia and it remains perplexing as to why Russia would illegally send a convoy of half empty repainted army trucks with military drivers into Ukraine.
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The photo ops, of course.
"Fight the Ukrainians? Not I! I love the Ukrainians. Look here at a picture of my many, many trucks delivering food to save them."
 
billvon said:
The photo ops, of course.
"Fight the Ukrainians? Not I! I love the Ukrainians. Look here at a picture of my many, many trucks delivering food to save them."
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It is perplexing as to why he would send a bunch of half empty trucks to Ukraine. Was it just to fool the fools at home? Was it a pretext for an all out invasion? Was it bait - hoping Ukraine would attack it and using that attack as an excuse to launch an all out invasion? Was it to resupply Putin's irregular troops with food and arms which was thwarted by Ukraine and the threat of further sanctions? It is perplexing. Russia has used these aid convoys in the past as a pretext for invasion. I think that was likely the case in this instance, but Ukraine called him on it and didn't fall for his bait. Why send a fully loaded truck when you intend to have it destroyed?
 
joepistole said:
NATO reports Putin has move his artillary units inside Ukraine and is using them to fire on Ukrainian positions. Of course Putin has issued his usual round of denials. So if they are not there, Ukraine should destroy them just like they destroyed the nonexistent Russian armoured column a few days ago inside Ukraine.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/world/europe/russian-convoy-ukraine.html?_r=0&referrer=
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NATO now just lies non-stop. Their main goal is to expand the alliance under any pretense possible.
 
youreyes said:
NATO now just lies non-stop. Their main goal is to expand the alliance under any pretense possible.
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If that is so, then why has NATO turned down membership for a number of countries including Ukraine? And since you claim NATO is lying all the time, it shouldn't be a problem for you to prove one instance, one NATO lie.
 
joepistole said:
It is perplexing as to why he would send a bunch of half empty trucks to Ukraine. Was it just to fool the fools at home? Was it a pretext for an all out invasion? Was it bait - hoping Ukraine would attack it and using that attack as an excuse to launch an all out invasion? Was it to resupply Putin's irregular troops with food and arms which was thwarted by Ukraine and the threat of further sanctions? It is perplexing. Russia has used these aid convoys in the past as a pretext for invasion. I think that was likely the case in this instance, but Ukraine called him on it and didn't fall for his bait. Why send a fully loaded truck when you intend to have it destroyed?
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If, as I hypothesized, the intent was to clandestinely evacuate something from that area, we should see a significant change in Russian posture over the next few days, now that they have achieved what they so desperately needed to achieve.
 
The militants actually made large advances yesterday, together with that parade (with POW in Donestk) to discredit the goverment still when you actually look it up the area they took is mostly Farmland with no major roads.
 
joepistole said:
If that is so, then why has NATO turned down membership for a number of countries including Ukraine? And since you claim NATO is lying all the time, it shouldn't be a problem for you to prove one instance, one NATO lie.
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Because NATO has it's own standards just like any other military organization.

There is a lie to you, claiming that Russian forces artillery support the rebels with a picture of the Russian aid trucks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/russia-artillery-ukraine_n_5700598.html
 
Meanwhile the US led Ukranian armies have been assimilating farmland space, the rebels managed to take control of Mariupol and strike a counteroffensive. Of course the use of ballistic missiles on Donetsk by Kiev is all great and fair and square in the eyes of NATO and US as an "adequate" response. But soon this charade from US will end and not well for Kiev.)
 
Russia announces it will send another convoy of "aid". If aid is that important you would think the could at least fill them up and not waste half the truck. So I think one has to believe Putin has ulterior motives with his "aid" shipments that have little actual aid.
 
joepistole said:
Russia announces it will send another convoy of "aid". If aid is that important you would think the could at least fill them up and not waste half the truck. So I think one has to believe Putin has ulterior motives with his "aid" shipments that have little actual aid.
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So I think one has to believe that the news West spills out will all discredit any further positive action or "aid" from Russia. Half-empty or full of Buk missiles launchers or smuggling Yanukovich or anything they make up.
 
joepistole said:
So then contrary to your previous claims NATO isn't the aggressor. Two, that isn't proof that the Western press has lied about anything.
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NATO is the aggressor, it just has standards that other countries must answer to, economical and military and also for example Ukraine, is used by NATO to push its financing agendas further and expand its control of territory to Russia so that it can push around agendas of countries that are part of the alliance.

And how exactly would you prove disinformation by the West? If the media is controlled by the West. Russian news in your opinion are bias. So are the Chinese news. Is all one sided from the West. How about Syrian news or Iranian news? Or Cuban news? Or Venezuela news? Oh...the world isnt just Europe, Australia, Canada, and US.
 
NATO is the aggressor
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A war of aggression, sometimes also war of conquest, is a military conflict waged without the justification of self-defense, usually for territorial gain and subjugation so obviously not.
the rebels managed to take control of Mariupol
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care to share something? It might be true in the near future that they attack the city but not today.

Of course the use of ballistic missiles on Donetsk by Kiev is all great and fair and square in the eyes of NATO
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Can I have a none russian source of that? Al jazeera seems to be the most neutral one here. Until then I ignore it.

But soon this charade from US will end and not well for Kiev.)
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Hopefully and not good for Kiev but also not good for the rebel region. Compare the economie of transnistra with that of moldavia? (they have a gasdebt of 1.6 billion and a budget of 331 million)Moldavia being piss poor only makes 6.6 billion a year. THen theirs Georgie with it's 2 parts Georgia's GDP is 16 billion abkhazie is doing fairly decend for it's size and population with 500 million south ossetia not so much with a GDP of 15 million dollar. Then theirs offcourse North Vs South Korea.

Seeing the track record I doubt that the region would do well under the best of circumstances.
 
But that is offcourse only half the story to get a complete picture you would need to compare it to countries who got EU support like east Germany, poland, the baltic etc.
 
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