So did the Taliban. Separatists can choose what their fate will be; do they really want to follow the example of the Taliban? Or would they rather pursue peace? Up to them. Hopefully they will choose the latter.
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So did the Taliban. Separatists can choose what their fate will be; do they really want to follow the example of the Taliban? Or would they rather pursue peace? Up to them. Hopefully they will choose the latter.
LOL, it isn't scapegoating when you are blamed for something you actually did. As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, if the West wanted Ukraine in NATO they didn't need a grand conspiracy. They could have just accepted Ukraine's 2008 application to enter NATO.
As previously pointed out to, Putin's aggression is increasing US influence in the region, because neighboring countries don't want to be Putin's next victim.
They are private security companies and they are few in number, and they are not American troops. And they are not currently in Iraq. The bottom line is there are no American troops in any of the countries you alleged.
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half a million have run to Russia from the Luhansk and the Donetsk regio those region have respectivly 58 and 56.9% ukrainian population (let's forget abouth other minorities and say the rest are russian) out of a total population of 2.2 mil and 4.3 mil.That's only 1/6 that leaves for Russia. Ukraine doesn't give much information of their numbers tough (I suspect most refugees actually stay in Ukraine). Hence when the rebels say wait until winter I don't suspect they think the winter will stop the war effort but those other refugees will take up arms in fear of freezing to death.
Look the thing is, Ukranians have had been part of Russia history and Russia has had its origins in Kiev to begin with as Rus. This confrontation that was brought by US and NATO exploits the hard economic problems of Ukraine that uderline it. People want change, that is why this war keeps on going. The 56.9% of Ukranian population are the same Russians, there is no difference.
Except, the only truthful thing about your post is Ukrainians want change. That is why they threw out Putin's corrupt and murderous stooge. That is why they are fighting Putin's troops. The US and NATO have had little to do with Ukraine until Putin decided to forcibly take the country. Ukranian forces, which include ethnic Russians, are fighting Putin's Russians. Americans and NATO are not fighting.
If Ukrainians wanted to become part of Mother Russia, Putin wouldn't need his thugs to force them do do so. Further, this is about a continuing pattern of Russian aggression. It began with cyber attacks on Estonia, followed by breaking nuclear arms treaties, then by invading, occupying, and annexing increasingly larger parts of Georgia and Ukraine.
If Indians wanted to become part of Freedom New England project, they wouldn't need to fight the colonists. Yet, the colonists of USA have built their "freedom for all" on the corpses of Indians and have created a celebration of Thanksgiving to commemorate that too. Thank's Pocahontas, we just killed last of the Mohicans and wrote out constitution proclaiming beautiful lies.
LOL, YOU NEED TO BONE UP ON YOUR AMERICAN HISTORY. And you are going back 500 years? The US is not that old.
And, none of that has anything to do with Putin And his increasingly aggressive actions toward neighboring states.
There's a difference like theirs a difference between brits and americans. It's wrong to say that this confrontation was brought on the US and NATO (or your thinking afther the Crimea thing) it was brought on by the EU and that was a reaction on Ukraine's "hard economic problems".
It's a fact that Ukraine has problems and as a transit land it's importand for both Russia and Europe that Ukraine is stable so Russia was first sponsering it with cheap oil and gas. But a long story short this didn't really help the situation (they tried for a decade and all it resulted in was more debt and more atiquadated infrastructure and wealthy oligarchs) then Europe came up with a proposition and different solutions with experiences with the former eastern Europe it had a good track record (it was definitly not a evil move). True the contract had a back stab to Russia most noticle their was a trading dispute in where Ukrainians could have bought European products and then sold them to Russia bypassing some tax that would have cost Russia but that's all fine print and something for lawyers to squable abouth.
It was a good deal and Ukraine should have signed it then a whole lot of things went wrong resulting in todays crisis.
Something that bugs me abouth this situation Why do the Kiev "Nazi's" describe the rebels as pro russian if 20% of their population is Russian and in some form or a other Pro russian to some degrees (not to mention the trade) why didn't they call them the anti Ukrainian rebellion? It's the same thing but you didn't threathen 20% of your population with a impossible choice.
For this reason Pro russian is a terrible Portmanteau for the rebels. You can very easly be both pro Russian and anti rebel in Ukraine being anti russian... that's more difficult
Good to see you finally admit Putin is trying to do the same thing.
no, I am pointing to the hypocricy of Americans pushing their "freedom" agendas around and claiming they have the right to tell other countries how to live when they built their country on blood, bones, and lies.
You can't really talk out of both sides of your mouth like that. You can't use what the USA has done in the past to justify what Putin is doing, then say "but Putin's not doing that."
I very much hope most Russians aren't like you; I had higher hopes for them.
Yeah, tyranny is so much better. Two, you have to go back hundreds of years, before the country was created to find examples of the "hypocrisy" you allege. We are not telling and you have no evidence to support your notions that the US is doing anything untoward.We are telling Putin to stop his shinnegans with his neighbors. Putin should respect his neighbors, his words, and international law.
Unlike Russia, it's difficult to lie to folks in a democratic society without eventually being discredited.
cough (not exatly true) cough still not relevant tough
this is true (for a long time this seemed possible now I'm not sure)
Russia needs a john stewart
Indeed it does, it looks like Putin has illegally moved his half empty "relief" column into Ukraine. And it looks like things are heating up again.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/22/russia-ukraine-aid-convoy/14429029/
lol. propaganda machine of the West is many times stronger than what Russia can afford. US spreads its ideas through Hollywood movies and it is quite apparent they use the same technique in their government to get the people to see what they want them to see. Many coworkers in company who dont know Russia, base their perspective not from history that they lack education in, but from movies like 007 where Russians are always portrayed as bad and weak guys. The weak minds of Americans have turned them into sheep susceptible to anything the television spills at them.
Indeed he has, Obama is the joker for Russia to laugh it. Things will heat up even more and Poroshenko selling his shares in his chocolate business and the prolonging of the WMD decision to loan billions to Ukraine, just shows that this little charade US orchestrated will end soon.
Ominous.
Maybe someone else has mentioned this before:
Opinion - Russian aid convoy-Ukraine: I believe the West needs to be more concerned about what those Russian aid trucks take out of the Ukraine than what they bring in. But then again I am just a suspicious bugger!
Hypothesis:
The main reason for this insane war in the Ukraine including the shooting down of the commercial flight, is that Russia is attempting to "hide" something of significance in the area the aid trucks are heading for. The aid trucks are for transporting what ever it is out of the area clandestinely. Using a bare faced lie to do so.
Opinion - Russian aid convoy-Ukraine: I believe the West needs to be more concerned about what those Russian aid trucks take out of the Ukraine than what they bring in. But then again I am just a suspicious bugger!
Hypothesis:
The main reason for this insane war in the Ukraine including the shooting down of the commercial flight, is that Russia is attempting to "hide" something of significance in the area the aid trucks are heading for. The aid trucks are for transporting what ever it is out of the area clandestinely. Using a bare faced lie to do so.
LOL and you wonder why your country is a backwater and a pariah. Remember how smart you are when your fellow Russians cannot pay their bills. But you live in the US.
If you are laughing, you are a fool. Obama is not under sanctions. Putin is. Putin is just digging a deeper hole for himself and the Russian people.