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The noose is tightening around Donetsk another city on the outskirts of Donetsk has fallen to Ukrainian troops. It's also interesting to note Russia has just now sent 3 crash examiners to Donetsk...kind of late. Why now? Since rebel forces have mined the crash site and there is fighting in the area which is preventing access to the crash site, why now? Is Mother Russia expecting their irregular troops will soon lose control of the area?
Funny isn't it that no one invades Russia but Russia invades other countries.
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
Perhaps, a few moments spent studying Russian history would give you a better perspective on what you posted here.
Russia has a long history of fighting back from invasions.
Really, fascinating stuff. Maybe start with The Battle of Kulikovo, and work your way forward. Really brilliant strategy/tactics by Dmitri Ivanovich / Dmitry Donskoy there.
If you would know what Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has been about recently, look at the life and goals of Ivan III Vasilyevich. (also known as Ivan moneybags.)
I'm often wrong, but this really seems to me to be a pattern worthy of being called the department of redundancy department.
How about making sense or posting something germane every once in a while?
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
"Those who ignore history................"
Seriously, just what, exactly, do you think Vladimir Vladimirovich has been up to for the past decade?
Bells
Staff member
He touted himself as speaking for all Russians in this matter earlier in this thread. Then of course we have his repeated deceitful posts and downright lies about the whole matter.
Was the Ukraine invading Russia? No. I believe it was the other way around. After handing out Russian passports to Russian speaking Ukrainians and declaring them to be Russian citizens, Putin demanded that they were suddenly in danger when his stooge was booted out of office in the Ukraine and so he invaded it. Not the other way around. And comparing him to Ivan from what? The 1300's? Who purchased vast tracts of land.. Putin is not buying. He is merely taking through deceit and then arming moving people there and arming them as 'local rebels'.. The fruits of his labour are now lying strewn across miles of farmland.
And those who ignore reality are simply blind to the truth.
Sure, we can focus on Ivan Moneybags from the 1300's and lament the land grabs from then. But how about we focus on what he is doing now, his use of rebels and having his former armed forces personnel suddenly becoming 'locals' in the fight to rejoin the motherland? Does that sound like a plan to you?
Bells
Staff member
*Chortle*
When will you stop making excuses for his crimes?
He just wanted the port in Crimea under Russian control.
And that's pretty much the "why".
The "republics" were made up of different cultures, ethnicity and religious groups who were always fiercely independent and none of whom identified as "Russian". It was designed to be split up from the get go.
So let me get this straight. You believe this guy is telling the truth because he got an award for being an ACTOR?
Youreyes, hasn't named the actor nor has he shown what the actor said.
Ironically social media, of all things, is making their job easier.
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Social Media Posts Belie Russian Denials About Ukraine Involvement
Glenn Kates
July 31, 2014
Russia has sought to maintain plausible deniability about its involvement in the conflict in Ukraine's east.
Granted, separatist leaders like Igor Girkin and Igor Bezler are Russian citizens with alleged pasts in Russia's security services, but Moscow says they came to Ukraine on their own accord. And although some high-powered weapons have been traced back to Russia, the Kremlin has argued -- albeit not particularly convincingly -- that any weapons in separatist hands were taken from the Ukrainian side.
But some Russian military personnel may not have gotten the memo.
Aleksandr Sotkin, a 24-year-old Russian soldier who BuzzFeed first reported had been posting updates apparently from inside Ukraine, is the most recent culprit in the series of what appear to be social media snafus.
"Night shift..working up a sweat," says this post from June 30, apparently posted inside Ukraine in the town of Krasna Talivka, two miles from the border with Russia.
According to an Instagram map, Sokin posted two of his photos from within Ukraine. Internet sleuths were also able to make screen captures of posts apparently belonging to other soldiers before they managed to close their social-media accounts.
Mikhail Chuganov allegedly uploaded photos of military trucks carrying Grad rockets towards Ukraine's border on Vkontakte, Russia's most popular social-networking site. His account has since been deleted.
And in late July, a soldier named Vadim Grigoryev posted photos of launchers and artillery near the border with Ukraine. "We battered Ukraine all night," he wrote. After deleting his account Grigoryev appeared on Russia's state-run Rossiya 24 TV channel and claimed his profile had been hacked.
His defense, though, had some holes.
He first told the interviewer he hadn't heard about the controversy until contacted by the TV channel. But later in the interview, Grigoryev said he had called his family members, who then deleted his account. He also claimed his phone was incapable of posting the photos, which he said had been taken over a month ago -- a claim that seems to suggest the photos do indeed exist.
Some Russian state Duma deputies appear to be at least tacitly acknowledging the veracity of the photos. A Communist Party deputy is reportedly preparing legislation that would ban soldiers from posting photos and videos on social networks that revealed military equipment or positions.
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More recently, Igor 'Strelkov' (real name Girkin,) rebel commander of Ukraine’s pro-Kremlin forces and former Russian intelligence agent, posted this on his VK account 30 minutes after the Malaysian flight was shot down:
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17.07.2014 17:50 (Moscow time)
In the region of Torez AN-26 plane has been shot, it is somewhere near the ‘Progress’ mine.
We have warned them – not to fly ‘in our sky.’
Here is video-proof of yet another ‘bird fall.’
The bird has fallen behind the waste heap, it missed the residential quarters. Peaceful citizens were not hurt.
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Moral of the story here - if you are a Russian or separatist soldier engaged in military action against Ukraine, don't post about it on Facebook (or equivalent.)
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
Then, why were enclaves of ethnic Russians left within Ukraine or Kazakstan?
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you can drop the
crap.
I ain't gonna take your bate.
it was Amber Lyon, a beautiful gorgeous trustworthy woman.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...al-documentary-bahrain-arab-spring-repression
Ah, she's beautiful so you believe she is telling the truth.
I see a possible explanation why so many Russians believe that Russia is not involved in Ukraine . . . does the Russian government have gorgeous propaganda people, by any chance?
On a retrospect one look at Pelosi and her shoe habits tells about concrete evidence of relation of beauty to truth.
So Pelosi is ugly and therefore she's a liar.
I have to say that if you are a typical Russian, you are painting Russians in a pretty bad light. Let's hope you're not representative.
ya look apology for "mirror statement" im anxious at my job is why.
No worries, and hope things with your job turn out OK.
The piece you referenced clearly states CNN aired it in The United States.
"On 19 June 2011 at 8pm, CNN's domestic outlet in the US aired "iRevolution" for the first and only time. The program received prestigious journalism awards, including a 2012 Gold Medal from New York Festival's Best TV and Films. Lyon, along with her segment producer Taryn Fixel, were named as finalists for the 2011 Livingston Awards for Young Journalists. A Facebook page created by Bahraini activists, entitled "Thank you Amber Lyon, CNN reporter | From people of Bahrain", received more than 8,000 "likes".
And the piece is available to all online. There was ample coverage of the social unrest in Bahrain at the time it occurred. The coverage was fair and unbiased. It wasn't aired in Bahrain. Gee, I wonder why. Could it be because Bahrain controls the press in Bahrain? The US has friendly relations with the Bahrain government, but that does not mean the US condones human rights abused there or anywhere. It doesn't mean the US "backs" or approves everything the government in Bahrain does. For many years, the US had friendly relations with Mother Russia. The idea being, it is easier to make change if you talk to each other versus yell and call each other names. The US has significant issues with human rights in many countries, including, Russia, China and others. But it doesn't mean we have to be hostile towards each other either. You get more bees with honey than vinegar. And that is US policy.
Further revolution (i.e. regime change) doesn't always mean better, look at what happened in Russia in 1917 and again in 1991, and more recently in Egypt and Libya. Transitioning from an autocracy to a democracy isn't easy and it is fraught with dangers. The result is well worth the journey, but it must be done carefully and in an orderly fashion else disorganization may cause more to die and more to suffer.
What is so disturbing about Putin, is his actions are taken right out of Hitler's playbook. The is invading, occupying and annexing his neighbors just as Hitler did. In Hitler's case, the West first attempted appeasement which emboldened Hitler to invade more neighboring states. At some point, and in Hitler's case that point was Poland, a line had to be drawn firmly in the sand. Putin is using Hitler's excuses for invading neighboring states. Putin is inflaming nationalism (i.e. fascism) just as Hitler did. Hitler violated arms agreements with the West, and Putin has violated arms agreements with the West. The comparisons are amazing. They are both physically small men. Hitler was 5'8", Putin is 5'7". I am not so interested in the physical similarities, but I am very concerned with his aggressive foreign policies and dictatorial domestic policies.
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