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Yeah, 85% approval rating is pretty high. The only world leaders with higher job approval ratings are Kim Jong Un of North Korea with 100% approval and Fidel Castro. Absolute control of the press does wonders for the approval ratings. Dictators don't tolerate disent.
 
One more point, strong nations don't invade and annex their neighbors as your Mother Russia and mother Putin have done.
 
Russia Fired Artillery and Rockets Into The Ukraine

The United States has released images that, it says, prove Russian military forces have fired artillery from Russian territory into Ukraine.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) released a series of overhead images that, it says, show evidence of artillery fire from the Russian side of the border directed at Ukrainian military positions in Ukraine.

ODNI claims the images prove Russian military -- not Russian-backed separatists operating from across the border -- were responsible.

"The following images provide evidence that Russian forces have fired across the border at Ukrainian military forces, and that Russia-backed separatists have used heavy artillery, provided by Russia, in attacks on Ukrainian forces from inside Ukraine," ODNI wrote atop a four-page file that includes four images ODNI says were taken July 21-26.

The newly released images back up the claim of direct Russian involvment made Thursday by the State Department and the Pentagon, as international tensions have risen sharply over the conflict in eastern Ukraine since the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in rebel-held territory.

READ: US Says Russia Fired Artillery Into Ukraine

READ: Ukraine Launches Offensive to Retake Donetsk

READ: Bigger Russian Artillery Moving Into Ukraine Soon

"We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine, and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions," State Dept. spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters at a daily press briefing on Thursday.




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So now it begins, Russia is showing it hasn't learned anything about trying to make itself better but now shows it can't escape its past Communistic past. To bad for awhile there it seemed that Russia oh excuse me the USSR was actually working for Democracy and freedom but alas it was only a ruse to rebuild their military and now flaunt themselves as aggressors as they were in the recent past.
 
The B.S. "news" is getting so deep that it ain't just the shoes that are brown anymore. One may need hip-waders to get through it soon.

Here is a pix that supposedly shows a before and after picture:
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Look at the vehicle tracks and honestly determine if you believe that the pix on the right was indeed from 3 days later.

abc "news" is awash in heaped stinking piles of bullshit. Don't be fooled.
 
sculptor said:
Look at the vehicle tracks and honestly determine if you believe that the pix on the right was indeed from 3 days later.

abc "news" is awash in heaped stinking piles of bullshit. Don't be fooled.
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The two pictures are not of the same resolution for one and the main tracks are the same. You can barely make out the fainter one. If you had provided two pictures with the exact same resolution and view distance, then sure. But the one on the right is taken from a further away and is not the same resolution and quality as the one on the left. So to compare and scoff based on that is a tad dishonest.

youreyes said:
Putin has and will always have an overwhelming Russian population majority support higher than 85% currently in any case of US economical sanctions.
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Putin also has a media machine selling his lies to the populace.

I wan you to understand something joepistole, people like you are plenty in US government, the anti-Russians who always preach for liberty and justice and that US has the right to decide who is right or wrong. Well Russians don't give a ****t about what US thinks. We simply do not care for any economic sanctions, no matter how heavy they are. I grew up in an epoch of collapse, I speak for all Russians, we are a strong nation and we know how to survive and excel in the times of hardship, no matter if half the world is against us.
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Is that why you live in the US?

Let's see, you declare you speak for all Russians, that they do not care for economic sanctions, and how they all excel in times of hardship.. Yet you don't even live there.

Tell me, when was the last time you even visited the "motherland", let alone lived there?
 
sculptor said:
The B.S. "news" is getting so deep that it ain't just the shoes that are brown anymore. One may need hip-waders to get through it soon.

Here is a pix that supposedly shows a before and after picture:
HT_3_artillery_strikes_ukraine_jt_140727_4x3_992.jpg


Look at the vehicle tracks and honestly determine if you believe that the pix on the right was indeed from 3 days later.

abc "news" is awash in heaped stinking piles of bullshit. Don't be fooled.
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Apparently, you didn't notice the contrast shading. White shading of already white lines bleaches them out. I don't think you need to be worried about ABC'S bullshit. You need to be worried about yours. I bet you are one of those folks who believe the lunar landings were staged on a movie set.
 
youreyes said:
Anyways, this US-Ukraine project will soon cost US too much money to support. They already are loosing their precious oil in Iraq and Syria isn't going to be their pie either. The rebels will continue to have full support.
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I hate to disappoint you, but this hasn’t cost the US a single dime thus far. Now Putin cannot TRUTHFULLY say the same as he has been pouring Russian men and equipment into Ukraine for months now. And as for affordability, the Russian economy is a 2 trillion dollar economy. The collective economy of NATO nations exceeds 30 trillion dollars. Now, who do you think can best afford a war? You are repeating the mistakes of the old Soviet Union. I guess you have learned nothing. Two, the US doesn’t use Syrian oil and it uses little if any Iraqi oil. And within just a few years the US will become energy independent and will even export natural gas, thanks to new oil drilling technology.

As for the “rebels” (i.e. Russian irregular forces, regular forces and state security officers) operating inside the Ukraine, what is the “full support” buying them? They are getting their asses kicked. Soon, the last significant “rebel” bastion inside Ukraine will fall- so much for that “full support”.

This is a real problem for Putin. His forces operating inside Ukraine are getting their collective asses kicked by the Ukrainian Army. And as that happens, Putin feels increasing pressure. Defeat is staring into Putin’s cold soulless eyes. For Putin, that is a terrifying event. Putin faces a daunting and terrifying future. If he proceeds with his aggression, Western sanctions will destroy the Russian economy. If he backs down, he loses face. Neither are attractive solutions for a third rate dictator. But those are the options which await Mr. Putin. Putin is trapped, but it is a trap of his own making.

youreyes said:
I wan you to understand something joepistole, people like you are plenty in US government, the anti-Russians who always preach for liberty and justice and that US has the right to decide who is right or wrong. Well Russians don't give a ****t about what US thinks. We simply do not care for any economic sanctions, no matter how heavy they are. I grew up in an epoch of collapse, I speak for all Russians, we are a strong nation and we know how to survive and excel in the times of hardship, no matter if half the world is against us.

The only, and I repeat, the only soulless human during that talk between Biden and President Vladimir Putin, is Biden. Treacherous, lying, piece of sh**t.
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Well freedom is a good thing. I cannot help it if you Russians like to be told what to do what to think and arbore freedom and justice. The US doesn’t have a right to dictate to the world, and the US doesn’t dictate to the world. The US doesn’t operate in a vacuum. Why do you fear NATO? NATO is a collective of 28 different countries. Why is it that former Soviet states don’t want any part of Mother Russia? Why is it former Soviet client states live in fear of Russian domination?

This may be difficult for you to understand as Russia’s experiences with democracy have been fleeting at best, but democracies are not autocracies like Russia is and has been since the very foundation of the Russian state. As I have told you before, you need to get out a bit and learn something of how the rest of the world operates. The West, and in particular the US, makes plenty of mistakes. But we don’t hide them. They are not covered up as they are in your realm. In the West, we rule by consensus and that is new and alien concept for folks like you.

In many ways you remind me of the Axis Powers (Italy, Nazi Germany, and Japan) before World War II, long on bravado and ethnic sense of superiority, but not as long on reality. It takes more than bravado and a false sense of ethnic superiority my friend as the Nazi’s and their allies discovered.
 
joepistole said:
Apparently, you didn't notice the contrast shading. White shading of already white lines bleaches them out. I don't think you need to be worried about ABC'S bullshit. You need to be worried about yours. I bet you are one of those folks who believe the lunar landings were staged on a movie set.
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Eye of the beholder.
 
enough of fake sh** Western propaganda is spewing out. Time for results of the investigation.
 
youreyes said:
enough of fake sh** Western propaganda is spewing out. Time for results of the investigation.
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LOL, truth hurts huh?

In the West we do investigations differently than you folks Russia. We normally complete the investigation before we announce the results of the investigation. We don't announce the results first and then do the investigation to support the previously announced results. And since Putin's troops operating in Ukraine have not allowed investigators complete and unfettered access to the crash site and to witnesses, that makes completing the investigation impossible.
 
joepistole said:
LOL, truth hurts huh?

In the West we do investigations differently than you folks Russia. We normally complete the investigation before we announce the results of the investigation. And since Putin's troops operating in Ukraine have not allowed complete and unfettered access to the crash site and to witnesses, that makes completing the investigation impossible.
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The results of investigation have not been concluded. The way you do it in US is if it does not suit your political agendas, than no major television or media is talking about. If it suits your political agenda than you have pre-determined lies and conclusions before investigation is done coming out in big letters on CNN and fake satellite fuzzy pictures.

You claim that Ukraine rebels, who you mistakingly but undoubtly politically call "Putin's troops", have not given access to the crash site. They have: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...russia-ukraine-putin-united-nations/12930557/

OSCE meanwhile has double agendas on it's list, it had spies prior in the regions and had acted hypocritically many times. Rebels do not want yet another screw up from Ukraine forces (under patronage of US advisors) to happen yet again. Enough that they launched a missile on a redirected by Ukraine civilian plane. Now they want to tamper with the evidence. Enough.
 
joepistole said:
A loan guarantee costs the US government nothing. Ukraine borrows money and Ukraine repays the borrowed money.
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If I am correct, obligations like that carry a big risk. And Ukraine isn't repaying this back with their economy.
 
youreyes said:
The results of investigation have not been concluded. The way you do it in US is if it does not suit your political agendas, than no major television or media is talking about. If it suits your political agenda than you have pre-determined lies and conclusions before investigation is done coming out in big letters on CNN and fake satellite fuzzy pictures.

OSCE meanwhile has double agendas on it's list, it had spies prior in the regions and had acted hypocritically many times. Rebels do not want yet another screw up from Ukraine forces (under patronage of US advisors) to happen yet again. Enough that they launched a missile on a redirected by Ukraine civilian plane. Now they want to tamper with the evidence. Enough.
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Ok, yeah, spies everywhere, under the beds, in the mattresses, I got that. But your machinations are not grounded in reality.

youreyes said:
You claim that Ukraine rebels, who you mistakingly but undoubtly politically call "Putin's troops", have not given access to the crash site. They have: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...russia-ukraine-putin-united-nations/12930557/
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I call them Putin’s troops because they are his troops. The leaders of the Ukrainian “rebellion” are all Russian citizens and more than that they are documented Russian state security officers. And the men fighting under the “rebel” banner are Russian citizens, carrying Russian passports. This has been confirmed by those so called “rebels” in numerous interviews with reporters. And the US government has confirmed same. There is overwhelming evidence and corroborating evidence. Just because Putin is telling you a different story, it doesn’t mean he is telling you the truth. Putin has repeatedly demonstrated his wanton and blatant disregard for the truth. As an example, first those uniformed Russian troops in Crimea were not his, and then they were. I suggest you do a little research.
 
joepistole said:
...The leaders of the Ukrainian “rebellion” are all Russian citizens and more than that they are documented Russian state security officers. And the men fighting under the “rebel” banner are Russian citizens, carrying Russian passports. This has been confirmed by those so called “rebels” in numerous interviews with reporters. ....
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All people who speak Russian from former Soviet states can become Russian citizens. The difference between a Russian and a Ukrainian is merely academic.
 
joepistole said:
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Interesting Observation From Biden of Putin:
Vice President Biden told Vladimir Putin that he did not believe the Russian leader had “a soul” during a visit to the Kremlin in 2011, the vice president said in a New Yorker magazine interview published Monday.

Biden said the incident occurred while he was touring Putin’s office in the Kremlin.

“I had an interpreter, and when he was showing me his office I said, ‘It’s amazing what capitalism will do, won’t it? A magnificent office!’ And he laughed. As I turned, I was this close to him,” Biden said, signaling that the two leaders were standing just inches apart. “I said, ‘Mr. Prime Minister, I’m looking into your eyes, and I don’t think you have a soul.’”
Pressed on if the anecdote was true, Biden confirmed, “absolutely, positively.”

“And he looked back at me, and he smiled, and he said, ‘We understand one another.’” Biden said. “This is who this guy is!”


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/international/212805-biden-to-putin-you-have-no-soul#ixzz38iO3LR00
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What will the soulless Putin do? That is the question. He obviously cares little about the lives of those he rules and even less for those he doesn't.
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I doubt Biden would say that to his face, and by the way no one has a soul.
 
youreyes said:
If I am correct, obligations like that carry a big risk. And Ukraine isn't repaying this back with their economy.
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Yes, they might, in the future, not pay back the loans. Hence the statement "this hasn’t cost the US a single dime thus far."
 
sculptor said:
Look at the vehicle tracks and honestly determine if you believe that the pix on the right was indeed from 3 days later.
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Most likely, yes. The terrain and the tracks are almost identical, with a few mew tracks added in the later picture.
 
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