Mississippi Republicans and Miscegenation

[EmptySky]

Let me take this one, the majority is no longer white and the majority but one of them thar mixed breeds! Do I get a gold star Empty!

I know, it's all a bit of a joke isn't it? As you sit in front of the TV, stuffing down another microwave dinner followed by a box of Twinkies and watching the latest air strikes on Libya/Afghanistan/Iraq/Sudan, blah, blah, blah, I forget where now, etc...

All there is to do really is call the government and complain about how grainy the picture is and couldn't they use higher resolution cameras so that you can see the explosions clearer?

And what about some fucking sound?! I wanna hear my tax dollars going up in smoke!

And can't we get some different camera angles on those turban-headed terrorists being blasted into smithereens?

Isn't it about time wars were directed by movie producers rather than generals?

 

[quinnsong]

I know, it's all a bit of a joke isn't it? As you sit in front of the TV, stuffing down another microwave dinner followed by a box of Twinkies and watching the latest air strikes on Libya/Afghanistan/Iraq/Sudan, blah, blah, blah, I forget where now, etc...

All there is to do really is call the government and complain about how grainy the picture is and couldn't they use higher resolution cameras so that you can see the explosions clearer?

And what about some fucking sound?! I wanna hear my tax dollars going up in smoke!

And can't we get some different camera angles on those turban-headed terrorists being blasted into smithereens?

Isn't it about time wars were directed by movie producers rather than generals?

Damn Empty, sounds like you need to get a life as it sounds rather pathetic!

 

[quinnsong]

re: 2007 Gallup Poll​

This just strikes me as ... I don't know, weird? Aberrant? But can it be aberrant when it's a sudden majority? Or not so sudden, as such? But, yeah: What happened?

Something about the nineties? Mind the gap.
(via Gallup)​

According to Joseph Carroll:

Gallup's long-term trend on this question documents a sea change in public attitudes about interracial marriage. In 1958, only 4% of Americans said they approved of marriages between whites and blacks. (The precise wording of the Gallup question has changed across the decades as the commonly accepted descriptive terms for blacks have changed; when Gallup first asked the question in 1958, the poll wording was, "whites and non-whites.") Approval gradually increased over the next few decades, but at least half of Americans disapproved of black-white unions through 1983. Then, in the next measure eight years later, disapproval had fallen to 42%, with 48% approving. In 1997, the next time Gallup asked the question, approval had jumped well into the majority, with nearly two in three Americans saying they approved of marriages between blacks and whites. Disapproval fell to 27% in that same year. Support remained at about the two-thirds level until 2002, but increased to 73% in 2003. Since then, there have only been modest variations in attitudes about interracial marriages.​

What happened in the nineties? Was it the shift from interracial to gay marriages? Was that the period in which many racists finally realized they had lost, and something akin to fifteen or so percent of the population decided that was just fine with them, and that they had fought the good fight but could now hop on the changewagon? The only other change in public support that was so drastic occurred over a ten year period between the first and second times Gallup ran the question, which also happens to mark a difference of before and after Loving.

But something happened, and it wasn't O. J. Simpson.
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Notes:

Carroll, Joseph. "Most Americans Approve of Interracial Marriages". Gallup. August 16, 2007. Gallup.com. April 16, 2011. http://www.gallup.com/poll/28417/most-americans-approve-interracial-marriages.aspx

Tiassa, I think this link provided the best answer and the article did not mention Simpson.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Societ...rriage-more-than-double-the-rate-in-the-1980s

 

[chimpkin]

It is totally illogical to suggest that racism was a crime when people believed that another race was inferior to theirs,

Are you saying we are a logical species?
There's no way I'm buying that...
Alright, I'll use the term "wrong" then. Wrongs were committed.

I never denied the majority were on board with them. There was always a minority who were not, throughout our history.

As far as paying reparations to Blacks, ceding land to Native Americans, and moving to Europe...(Ignoring the fact I have a small smidge of Native blood in me) that would require me to possess land, possess more amounts of money than I do now-since right now, my income is mostly my outgo, and the co-operation of some European country to take me in.

I don't have those things. I'm poor by the standards of the realm.

As you sit in front of the TV, stuffing down another microwave dinner followed by a box of Twinkies and watching the latest air strikes on Libya/Afghanistan/Iraq/Sudan, blah, blah, blah, I forget where now, etc...

Again,your prejudice has already given you a caricature of us, and it closes your perception.
The thing about prejudice is that it gives immense power to something called the "confirmation bias."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

So...while I might tell you "No, it's more complicated than that," you are only going to perceive that which reinforces what you already think of us.

Just as some white bigot who sees black people as stupid is ONLY going to perceive evidence of black stupidity...and conveniently screen out smart black people.

So one of our astronauts, also a medical doctor,also a professor of oncology at Baylor when not flying space missions...and making the rest of us feel embarrassingly inferior...

( Doctor Robert Satcher also fights Doc Ock in his spare time)
...The aforementioned bigot would probably forget about Doctor Satcher a lot faster than some dumb teenage kid he or she happened to see doing something stupid.

You'll only remember what confirms your prejudices.

As far as the whole "Islamic Bogeymen," thing...as I have put it, there are 1.5 billion Muslims...if they were all determined to kill us, we'd all be dead...
Therefore, obviously those Muslims who wish to kill us are a very small part of what is a very large, very complicated whole. Most Islamic people just want a good life, like everyone else. I'd really like it if my government stopped preventing that from happening in many places....but we have a sham democracy here, so, again, not much I can do to stop it.

The westerners/Americans who fit your prejudice are a small part of what is a very large, very complicated whole.

Do you want to try and apprehend the reality more closely, as I do with other parts of the world? Or would you prefer to keep wearing your blinders?

Because if it's the latter...then, again, as I said before, there's not much point in talking to you-your mind is shut like a steel trap.

 

[chimpkin]

I have no objection to the idea of us all becoming lightly brown and wavy-haired people in a few generations. That actually sounds pretty cool.

 

[quadraphonics]

Sure, yet coincidentally only after several centuries of it during which America had amassed enough capital to begin the transition to industrialization and the economy in the north had begun to boom.

Rather, challenges to slavery were only successful once an industrialized economy that could out-compete plantation slavery became available.

Doesn't imply that there were no challenges before that. And anyone with a basic grasp of US history knows of serious, prominent challenges to such going all the way back to the revolution.

I don't get it, if racism is as heinous a crime as murder or theft, then why did people allow it to go unchallenged all those centuries?

How about you open a fucking book instead of trolling us with these inane premises?

Oh, right, because you aren't looking for information. You're just a cheap racist troll.

 

[YoYoPapaya]

I have no objection to the idea of us all becoming lightly brown and wavy-haired people in a few generations. That actually sounds pretty cool.

I support this.

 

[spidergoat]

Sure, yet coincidentally only after several centuries of it during which America had amassed enough capital to begin the transition to industrialization and the economy in the north had begun to boom.

I don't get it, if racism is as heinous a crime as murder or theft, then why did people allow it to go unchallenged all those centuries?

Religion was also a big factor. The natives, after all, were godless heathens. Many things have been changing since science and secularism have taken hold. Racism arose after slavery for the most part, as a way to justify the institution. It was further reinforced whenever a black person rebelled against it, thus "proving" that they were intrinsically violent.

 

[anakin]

In respect to a great lattice effect,inter-racial and non-racial groups, virtues are and going to be played out. Fact is, a harlequin effect goes on....then how much is enough! Let by-gones be by-gones lots of luck. ..

 

[siphra]

A Norse is a Norse, of course, of course...

Please tell me I wasn't the only one who found that funny.

(As in old enough to know why it's funny...)

 

[Tiassa]

Creatively Obvious

Please tell me I wasn't the only one who found that funny.

(As in old enough to know why it's funny...)

No, no. Plenty are old enough. Of course, some might debate whether or not it was funny.

But I liked it. It was what I like to call "creatively obvious".

 

[madanthonywayne]

As if the Mississippi poll wasn't bad enough, check out this ad from the Alabama Republican primary (the actual ad is at the beginning of the video, Bill Maher then goes on to create a couple more ads lampooning the first one.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdQzpqbZ3Po&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here's a quote from the ad

"On the school board, Byrne supported teaching evolution, said evolution best explains the origin of life -- even recently said the Bible is only partially true"​

Mr. Byrne promptly responded saying that he believes every word in the bible is true and that he actually fought to have creationism taught at Albama public schools,,,,,,,.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...didates-faith-jolts-alabama-governor-contest/​

 

[JuNie]

as if the mississippi poll wasn't bad enough, check out this ad from the alabama republican primary (the actual ad is at the beginning of the video, bill maher then goes on to create a couple more ads lampooning the first one.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqzpqbz3po&feature=youtube_gdata_player

here's a quote from the ad

"on the school board, byrne supported teaching evolution, said evolution best explains the origin of life -- even recently said the bible is only partially true"​

mr. Byrne promptly responded saying that he believes every word in the bible is true and that he actually fought to have creationism taught at albama public schools,,,,,,,.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...didates-faith-jolts-alabama-governor-contest/​

roll tide! :d

 

[EmptySky]

Just as some white bigot who sees black people as stupid is ONLY going to perceive evidence of black stupidity...and conveniently screen out smart black people.

When we are discussing race of course we screen out the individual, they're only the exceptions that prove the rule.

So one of our astronauts, also a medical doctor,also a professor of oncology at Baylor when not flying space missions...and making the rest of us feel embarrassingly inferior...

If only I had a dollar for every time some ignorant white liberal posted the face of a black man with a career as evidence that race doesn't exist or that all blacks have the same level of intelligence as whites I'd be, well, you know... rich.

You can understand that posting details of a white athlete in some ridiculous attempt to suggest that all the top athletes are white or that whites dominate athletics or possess the same level of athletic ability as blacks would be absurd.

How blacks are treated by whites in Western society - whether they are used as slaves on a plantation or promoted via affirmative action to prominent social/political positions is only a barometer of the interests and goals of whites. It has nothing to do with nature (except in how an alpha group controls and exploits a beta) as that hasn't changed in millions of years and certainly not in the last few centuries.

 

[EmptySky]

Rather, challenges to slavery were only successful once an industrialized economy that could out-compete plantation slavery became available.

Doesn't imply that there were no challenges before that. And anyone with a basic grasp of US history knows of serious, prominent challenges to such going all the way back to the revolution.

Thanks for proving my point.

At least we're clear now that abolition was driven entirely by the economic goals of the white world.

Oh, right, because you aren't looking for information. You're just a cheap racist troll.

I guess it's a bit like a Christian calling a non believer a heretic. It might make you feel good and allow you to vent some of that liberal frustration caused by living the life of a sheep but it means nothing to me.

 

[chimpkin]

If only I had a dollar for every time some ignorant white liberal posted the face of a black man with a career as evidence that race doesn't exist or that all blacks have the same level of intelligence as whites I'd be, well, you know... rich.

Everyone's an individual. Geniuses come in all colors. Morons too.
I was about to say I think I'm dealing with the latter, but no. You're intelligent, just a racist, which I find disgusting. You also don't seem to have simply been around enough people who don't share your skin color...because you seem to think we have to be indoctrinated to think this way.
When you grow up knowing people of different colors as people, they are just people, and I'm sorry you're too mired in your way of thinking to see that.

Race is still a social construct...that having been said, it's a disadvantage to have a black skin in the Western world ATM, true. There's such a thing as skin privilege. It's not fair. It plays to my advantage, and I'm embarrassed and a bit ashamed of that...but, not much I can do. Social attitudes change slower than glaciers.

How blacks are treated by whites in Western society - whether they are used as slaves on a plantation or promoted via affirmative action to prominent social/political positions is only a barometer of the interests and goals of whites. It has nothing to do with nature

For one, I'd use MLK's analogy...they run the same race, they just start further back in many cases.

Besides that, one doesn't get to be a professor of oncology through affirmative action-one gets there by curing a lot of cancer, or developing inventive treatments for same.

Nature has nothing to do with us, either. We domesticated ourselves about 10,000-30,000 years ago, unless there's further archaeological evidence to be found.

Since I was saved by modern medicine several times over, it takes modern medicine, much time in filtered air, and occasionally breathing machines on occasion for me to be alive-at all times...as one person pointed out, I am a low-level cyborg.
I'm completely unnatural.

So, your contention is that white people are superior? Not just in charge, to be clear, but superior?
Because you've hinted at that, but never quite come out and said it....


Man people like you depress and disappoint me so freaking bad I ....just ...can't...man...
...Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit huffing spraypaint...
*Chimpkin squirts huge shot of spraypaint into bag, inhales deeply*
MAHN! iAM TELLIN YA AH JAIST CAHN'T TAK IT ANYMOREEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(sound of braincells exploding)
AHH! SHE'S COMIN RIGHT FOR US! AHHH!

*Chimpy dives through window*

(We are having technical difficulties, please....standby....BEEEEEEEP......)

 

[JuNie]

When we are discussing race of course we screen out the individual, they're only the exceptions that prove the rule.

If only I had a dollar for every time some ignorant white liberal posted the face of a black man with a career as evidence that race doesn't exist or that all blacks have the same level of intelligence as whites I'd be, well, you know... rich.

You can understand that posting details of a white athlete in some ridiculous attempt to suggest that all the top athletes are white or that whites dominate athletics or possess the same level of athletic ability as blacks would be absurd.

How blacks are treated by whites in Western society - whether they are used as slaves on a plantation or promoted via affirmative action to prominent social/political positions is only a barometer of the interests and goals of whites. It has nothing to do with nature (except in how an alpha group controls and exploits a beta) as that hasn't changed in millions of years and certainly not in the last few centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States

African immigrants to the U.S. are more highly educated than any other native-born ethnic group including white Americans. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.[9]
In 1997, 19.4 percent of all adult African immigrants in the United States held a graduate degree, compared to 8.1 percent of adult white Americans and 3.8 percent of adult black Americans in the United States, respectively.[10] This information suggests that America has an equally large achievement gap between whites and African/Asian immigrants as it does between white and black Americans.
Of the African-born population in the United States age 25 and older, 87.9% reported having a high school degree or higher,[11] compared with 78.8% of Asian-born immigrants and 76.8% of European-born immigrants, respectively.[12] Immigrants groups in general tend to have higher high school graduation rates than the native-born general American population.
Africans from Nigeria (89.1 percent), Ghana (85.9 percent), Botswana (84.7 percent), and Malawi (83 percent) were the most likely to report having a high school degree or higher. Those born in Cape Verde (44.8 percent) and Mauritania (60.8 percent) were the least likely to report having completed a high school education.[13]
In Canada, similar trends can be seen where both foreign-born and Canadian-born blacks have graduation rates that exceed those of other Canadians. Similar patterns of educational over-achievement are reached with years of schooling and with data from the 1994 Statistics Canada survey.[14][15] Black immigrants have a higher standard of educational achievement, on average, than the overall Canadian population.[16]

 

[cosmictraveler]

African immigrants to the U.S. are more highly educated than any other native-born ethnic group including white Americans.

So the Japanese that immigrate here don't have better education than Africans or at least the same?

 

[JuNie]

So the Japanese that immigrate here don't have better education than Africans or at least the same?

Population of Japanese in America is higher than African immigrants. So you can draw whatever conclusions you want. I just posted the facts in response to racist, white supremacy ideology from that other jerk.

 

[quadraphonics]

Thanks for proving my point.

Is that the best you've got?

At least we're clear now that abolition was driven entirely by the economic goals of the white world.

No, we aren't.

Nor are we "clear" that there's any salient distinction between the "economic" and "moral" aspects of abolitionism.

You really think this cheap crap is going to impress anyone? Everyone's heard these lame talking points by the time they graduate high school.

I guess it's a bit like a Christian calling a non believer a heretic.

It's more like a Christian calling a televangelist a cheap charlatan.

You troll like a little girl. Grow a sack and learn to troll like a man.

It might make you feel good and allow you to vent some of that liberal frustration caused by living the life of a sheep but it means nothing to me.