You do realise they are only a few years old, right?
Is there any doubt they are evolved life- forms ?
Which ones?
Which species of moss that make up those balls (there are various species) are "evolved life forms" as per your reasoning and reckoning?
You are carrying on as though they are making a conscious decision to roll 2.5cm a day..
You cannot even fathom that it could be the hundreds of microorganisms that live in the moss, or that being a plant, they may be orientating to ensure the majority of the plants are getting enough light in the day (ever own a houseplant? They will shift and grow towards light on any given day - my orchids will lean and grow towards the light in the window and I turn them around daily to just try to keep them straight in the pot!).. Because you know, they are moss balls.. Or, the sun is melting the ice around them equally on any given day.. Given they "roll" more or less depending on the time of year and season, what do you think is the most likely scenario?
But no no. You have "guessed" that they are evolved life forms apparently with "a form of quorum sensing which makes all the moss balls follow the same mathematical pseudopodal response".
And why? Because microtubules.
What you are failed to consider that the balls all move at the same time in the same direction and that there is no evidence of symbiotic habitants being responsiblefor motion. That means the walking signal is a shared potential and very likely based on a form of quorum sensing which makes all the moss balls follow the same mathematical pseudopodal response.
It's the sun. Not microtubules or evolved life forms.
The rate of glacier moss ball movements is also positively correlated, albeit weakly, with overall glacier ablation (Fig. 3b). It appears likely that the dominant direction of solar radiation, which melts exposed ice surrounding glacier moss balls more rapidly than the insulated ice below them (Porter et al. 2008), is the major force driving glacier moss ball movement. However, the relative contributions of gravity in the downslope direction versus solar radiation is almost certainly dependent on glacier steepness. Porter et al. (2008) posited a considerable effect of gravity on glacier moss ball movement for a relatively steep (9.6°) Icelandic glacier which contrasts with our much flatter study area on the Root Glacier (∼3°). Still, regardless of steepness, differential melt patterns create pedestals that glacier moss balls rest upon and, eventually, enough ice melts below the moss ball causing it to fall and potentially flip (Porter et al. 2008).
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/687665v1.full
From the same two people? Don't post falsehoods. I am not aware of any other complaints except from exchemist and Dave. Show me complaints lodged by others or modify your accusation of "report after report" which is a blatant LIE!
There are currently 5 open reports, about your nonsensical posts.
And that's just for this thread.
You are a drain on staff time.
Trust me, from now on every post will have a reference to microtubules. Fortunately that leaves the entire Eukaryotic biological world to examine for "awareness" of the envirionment , by means of the function of microtubules.
This thread is meant to be about microtubules and consciousness as you have claimed that is where consciousness is from.
You are yet to actually prove any of this.
Instead, you are posting about moss balls and various other things and ridiculous videos about everything but the subject matter.
You have made claims. You need to provide evidence to support those claims.
Otherwise, shut up.
No more videos about random crap or Ted Talks or whining about how you feel you are being silenced.
62+ pages of you posting rubbish, most of which has nothing to do with "consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules".
I have put up with your lying - such as when you claimed you were asked by staff to start this thread - you were not. I have put up with your trolling and misrepresentations. I have also put up with your repeated waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh 'you're like Trump' when I ask you to prove the rubbish you post and tell you repeatedly that this is not your goddamn blog.
I am fairly certain that my colleagues have had enough.
I know I certainly have had enough.
So I will ask you again, explain and prove what do moss balls on glaciers have to do with consciousness in microtubules?
I told you, you are determined to shut me down, because you are too myopic to look at the greater scope of this inquiry.
This isn't an inquiry.
You are posting utter random shite.
62+ pages of it.
Most of which aren't even on topic.
If this was an "inquiry" you would be inviting discussion, raising questions and not making statements of fact about every random shit you find online and trying to link it to microtubules and then pitching fits when people challenge or question you on your dubious claims. Instead, you treat this like it is your blog and then baulk when reminded that this is not your personal blog.. Remember how many times you tried to claim that this is your thread and you direct who can post here?
If Penrose made a post in this thread about the possible quantum processes in microtubules, and would cite the quantum nature of universal information sharing, would you dare shut down the thread because Penrose is a quack and his ORCH OR hypothesis is pure woo? Do you have the qualifications to disavow Penrose or the hundreds of other scientist are engaged in the what may yield the most important discovery since the concept of consciousness emerged?
I would expect anyone, Penrose or anyone else, who makes claims of fact, would be expected to back up those facts.
And if he is unable or unwilling to do so, then yes, he would be a quack or woo.. Remember the rules. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You've posted repeated videos about how they believe that is where consciousness stems from without any actual fact.
And that is where you come undone. They have made claims and are now trying to prove their claims and are failing. You have taken their claims are you are posting them as fact.
In the mean time it is you who are posting the off-topic, mean spirited posts, ruining the many hours of research I have devoted to this IMPORTANT and COMPLICATED question.
You aren't asking any "important or complicated questions", nor are you actually dealing with any of it.
You are posting random crap that are totally unrelated to the subject matter.
You have made claims that microtubules are involved in making the balls of moss - which are made up of various species of moss mind you - roll over. Without any evidence whatsoever.
Worse still, none of it has anything to do with the subject matter of this thread.
You are literally doing google searches for microtubules and posting whatever you find, sometimes completely out of context - resulting in misrepresentations here - on this site because "microtubules".
This is an unresolved aspect of the human experience and we have finally created the observational mechanisms that will allow us to "define" the natural laws which allowed the emergence of consciousness at all. This is a cosmological question and I am so surpised at Dave's vehement objections to explore a cosmic imperative that made the evolution of self-awareness a 100% emergent logical probability.
A result of a Deterministic function, which did not stop at the BB, but began there .
My god..
What would it take for a "self-referential mathematical function" (information processing), to equal a "self-aware biological information processing (thinking)" .
Nothing that you have been able to prove here.
