Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

[Write4U]

The quoted link has nothing to do with your statement, which seems in any case to be cut off mid-sentence.

It's about the way benzene's metabolites poison the operation of cells. Nothing to do with consciousness and nothing involving any special"quantum" effects.

But we are not talking about what benzene does, but what "resonance clouds of benzene-like organic rings" do.

Non-polar anesthetic binding sites in tubulin (and other proteins) are comprised largely of “pi” electron resonance clouds of benzene-like organic rings in aromatic amino acids tryptophan, phenylalanine and tyrosine.

Aromatic amino acid
Amino acid having an aromatic ring

An aromatic amino acid is an amino acid that includes an aromatic ring.
Wikipedia

 

[Write4U]

The quoted link has nothing to do with your statement, which seems in any case to be cut off mid-sentence.
It's about the way benzene's metabolites poison the operation of cells. Nothing to do with consciousness and nothing involving any special"quantum" effects.

This is the statement that I believe addresses your citation of a hydrophobic environment that prevents quantum coherence.

Non-polar anesthetic binding sites in tubulin (and other proteins) are comprised largely of “pi” electron resonance clouds of benzene-like organic rings in aromatic amino acids tryptophan, phenylalanine and tyrosine. The basis for organic chemistry, “pi” electron resonance clouds are delocalized quantum objects, non-polar, but polarizable, and can induce and couple quantum dipoles, participate in quantum optical effects, and oscillate coherently in terahertz frequency ranges (Lundholm et al., 2015).

more.... https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnmol.2022.869935/full

 

[exchemist]

But we are not talking about what benzene does, but what "resonance clouds of benzene-like organic rings" do.

Aromatic amino acid
Amino acid having an aromatic ring

An aromatic amino acid is an amino acid that includes an aromatic ring.
Wikipedia

Then why quote a study on an entirely different topic?

 

[James R]

Apparently the brain was once considered to be too hydrophilic for quantum coherence. That proposition has been debunked by Hameroff, et al, finding that the benzene ring [... ?].
[irrelevant article]

You're not even posting semi-coherently any more. You can't seem to concentrate on answering the questions you have been asked. You ignore a lot of them. I'm guessing it's because, at some level, you realise you don't understand the topic well enough to answer them.

Nothing you have posted lately refutes the criticisms that exchemist posted way back when, which he has repeated recently. You're still stuck back where you were in 2018, having made no progress in 3000 posts towards establishing the claim you so want to be true.

Don't you think it's time to give up on this lost cause of yours?

 

[James R]

Moderator note: this thread has just ticked over 3000 posts long. It has been going since 2018 and there hasn't been much of substance posted on the ostensible topic since then. Write4U clearly doesn't know what he's talking about half the time and is mostly unable or unwilling to answer criticisms of his position. Instead, he posts a lot of stuff that is actually just irrelevant to the topic.

sciforums is a discussion forum, but this thread has mostly turned into Write4U's personal blog, in which he mostly just cut-and-pastes anything and everything with the word "microtubule" in it. While the study of microtubules is a valid niche pursuit in biology, of course, the vast majority of what has been posted in this thread has very little to do with quantum process in the tubules, and very little, if anything, has been contributed to show a link between consciousness and microtubules.

Given all this, I think that here, post 3005, is a suitable place to end this thread. A more disciplined discussion of microtubules could be possible, but the topic would need to be clear and the discussion would have to stay on topic much more than it has here.

So, closed.