Yazan said:
Quran (holy book of Islam) have never ever been changed not even a single word [...] God said in on of the verses in Quran that this book will be protected by him and it will never get changed till the end of this life.
What is the evidence that a god said this? The answer, of course, is the text itself. The text is true because it says it is. What poppycock. You quoted my initial question to saudi girl asking what evidence she has of her god's command but didn't seem to answer it.
ToR said:
Skin
As I recall from reading a long time a go
the Quoran was written in a time when men and women were naked and having orgies in the street.
It was told that women AND men cover their 'jewells', the rules in the Quoran are equally applied to men and women as far as I recall.
Surely you're not saying you were there
There's no evidence that I've seen to suggest that people were naked until the Koran told them to put on clothes. That's about as preposterous as saying the same about the older biblical mythologies of the Pentateuch. There is physical evidence that clothing has been all the rage
long before writing was even invented. The more likely, and plausible, explanation for the covering is environmental. The desert of Arabia is harsh (been there LG) and having oneself covered is simply good water conservation and protects the delicacy of the skin.
ToR said:
You mention superstition skin, are you aware most superstitions stem from real things but those things have been completely lost over time so that all is left is an 'irrational fear' or 'action' that is nonsensical in the modern changed world.
I'd argue that
most superstitions probably stem from magical thinking:
this works for my luck until it doesn't. Still, I recognize that many superstitions result from antiquated ideas whose contexts are no longer valid.
ToR said:
Little do all the religions who continue to mutilate baby boys today know they do so because snake worshippers wanted to honour the snake [...] [h]umans seem stuck on tradition, in the UK, barristers and judges still wear wigs and bat coats, why?
I can agree with that. I find both practices antiquated and illogical.
Islam about Women
"And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them." (Surah 2:228)
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property" (4:34)
"As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way" (4:15)
"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you." (4:24)
Women must cover themselves in public. (33:59)
Clearly Islam is a misogynistic religion. Muslim women can
say they chose their life all they want, but this is the nature of cult indoctrination: it convinces you that your equalities and opportunities are secondary to the demands of the cult hierarchy. I'm sure the followers of Heaven's Gate
chose to depart this life as surely as the followers of Jim Jones did in Guyana. But however sweet the Kool Aid is mixed, and however accepting the believers are of the additives, the result is the same: drinking it is wrong.
There are Muslim women who believe that various degrees of female genitial mutilation are accepted religious practices (clitorectemy). No where in the Koran is this supported, of course, but do we accept their oppression as valid simply because they are raised to believe it is right and correct? Should we not speak out against such oppression and pressure their religious cult to abandon it?
If women want to wear burkas, that's their problem. The rest of free-thinking society need not accept this and if that means believers get a bit of ridicule, the believers earned it.
I was in a buffet line recently and a Muslim woman and her husband were ahead of me. Her burka hid all but her eyes and even the loose fit of the garment failed to hide the fact that gravity had a greater affect on her than me. Someone in line behind me remarked that the burka might be doing us all a favor by hiding her features; another joked that she probably had two kids under there with her and this was a convenient way to sneak them in the buffet line. I had already told my wife, "look, a ninja."
In Dallas, Texas, a burka worn on a day other than Halloween is going to get comments. And rightly so. It should be no more different than if someone were dressed like an Elvis impersonator, Batman, or in a Jedi Knight costume. Its a kooky and antiquated costume, similar to the get-up ToR mentioned by English barristers.
