Gaddafi: Allow Jews, Christians entry to Mecca

[fedr808]

oh, you are stating facts, that's obvious when you started to insult from the first place, and kept insulting (and as usual, if i answer back, you try to make your self look like opressed or something)

Really? I try to make myself look opressed?

When?

Shadow, that's YOUR defense, not mine

 

[fedr808]

ahahaha
yeah yeah, we bombed japan with two nuclear bombs, we made two world wars, we killed jews in world war 2, and we killed all native americans..

aand, we bombed planet mars, and killed martians, and made the earthquakes of japan and bomed their nuclear power plants, aand we have secret nuclear lab under each house..
oh oh, and we eat children ...

Sarcasm...fail.

 

[fedr808]

idk


lol


maybe fedr will will go their, it seems that he knows about my relegion more than i do (he says so )

More about "certain parts" .

It was sarcasm, but I could see that went over your head.

Misquoting me won't get you anywhere.

And I notice you never bothered to answer my question. What kind of sin is so bad that i makes an Islamic man "un muslim"?

 

[spidergoat]

Why shouldn't Buddhists, Hindus and Scientologists also be welcome in Mecca?

They are considered to be heresy.

 

[spidergoat]

...he has the right to dictate the rules other countries apply to their land? well that's new
saudi arabia follows the islamic rule(supposedly).
islamic rule says mecca is off limits to non muslims.
end of story....

I agree he's a tyrant, but the sentiment is quite fair. It's hypocritical to be fighting over holy sites in Jerusalem when the allegedly most holy site in monotheism is restricted to only one branch of it. Supposedly it's all the same god.

 

[fedr808]

Actually, in 20/20 hindsight, why is this in the religion section? It would seem to me that it is more appropriate for the world events or maybe even politics sections.

 

[spidergoat]

It's not important whether Ghaddafi said it or someone else, the subject is why Muslims who think Mohammad was a prophet of the same god as the Jews and Christians exclude them from this supposed holy site?

 

[Shadow1]

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Really? I try to make myself look opressed?

When?

Shadow, that's YOUR defense, not mine

my defence? what defence? i don't try to make my self look like opsessed, and i AM answering your questions

i'll discuss with you seriously, when you discuss with me seriously and properly, when you stop your insults, i'll stop myne, and i'll be serious with you ... you started to insult first, remember?

 

[Shadow1]

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More about "certain parts" .

It was sarcasm, but I could see that went over your head.

how?

Misquoting me won't get you anywhere.

neither yours too

And I notice you never bothered to answer my question. What kind of sin is so bad that i makes an Islamic man "un muslim"?

i did answer, i said he would be considered kaffer

and as for your question, i don't know, for example if a person killed another, (not in self defence) for example to steal he's money, and continued to do that, he's kaffer, if he stop it, and know what he did is wrong, and etc... and go back to the right path, god may forgive him
if he worship anything or anyone + god, he's kaffer, if he don't worship god, or don't beleive in god, he's kaffer, however it's he's choice to beleive or not, no one is going to force him to, a person can't be forced to beleive in something, you have to try to convince him, but, if he didnt get convinced, then, nothing, it's between him and god, and god is who will judge him and not any other person, anyway, kaffer doesnt mean a person that must be killed or something, or tortured...

to be considered non muslim, is when that person don't beleive in god anymore, or choose another relegion to follow

i did answer your question, it's in that quote
so if doing horrible things, that person would be considered kaffer, and effcorse judged in court and law shall take it's course..

 

[Shadow1]

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I agree he's a tyrant, but the sentiment is quite fair. It's hypocritical to be fighting over holy sites in Jerusalem when the allegedly most holy site in monotheism is restricted to only one branch of it. Supposedly it's all the same god.

as i said, i don't know if jews and christians are not allowed in mecca, i said mecca, however, it is allowed if going their to do buisness, like to study about that place

however, on a relegion point of view, i think they are allowed their, bakka, that is in the middle east, in the arabia, is mentioned in some bibles, bakka, makka, and in some others, directly makka (mecca) [http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=230274 ; http://web.orthodoxonline.org/index...5:historical-studies&Itemid=28#axzz1JE7v6Qm6; ] , however, some people say they are allowed, and some say no, idk, it's not an on going discussion
however, i don't see any christians or jews interrested in mecca, or something

as for my opinion, i don't know

 

[fedr808]

how?


neither yours too


i did answer, i said he would be considered kaffer



to be considered non muslim, is when that person don't beleive in god anymore, or choose another relegion to follow

i did answer your question, it's in that quote
so if doing horrible things, that person would be considered kaffer, and effcorse judged in court and law shall take it's course..

>.>

Excuse me, I think I can have a more intellectual discussion with a wall.

 

[scifes]

I agree he's a tyrant, but the sentiment is quite fair. It's hypocritical to be fighting over holy sites in Jerusalem when the allegedly most holy site in monotheism is restricted to only one branch of it. Supposedly it's all the same god.

well i was gonna say that jerusalem is holy for both muslims and jews but mecca is considered holy only for muslims because it's where mohammad was born, but that's actually incorrect, the kaba was built by abraham and his son ishmael, which i believe are considered prophets by jews too, yet jews don't care about the kaba or mecca

 

[Shadow1]

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>.>

Excuse me, I think I can have a more intellectual discussion with a wall.

...
i can have a better conversation with my cat

 

[Shogun]

No actually you don't you using one meaning of a range for purposes to paint the faith negatively. their is a world for that. the word Jihad means struggle. the sonner you and all the other islam bashers come to terms with that the better off all of us will be. I'm really tired of the war judiasm and christianity are waging against Islam.

It is not a war waged by Judaism and Christianity thank you very much, it is Islam extremists waging war on non-Islamic nations.

 

[Shogun]

What is that christian quote "you cannot point out the splinter in your neighbor's eye before you pull out the log in your own" or something or other.

A quote from Jesus, I forget the reference and the exact quote as well

Yeah, Islam needs to recognize its problems and fix it.

Christianity have done a lot of that and thats the point I was trying to make the entire time.

We recognize our mistakes and fix it, thats how societies, cultures, and people improve.

We realized that the Witch Hunts and Crusades weren't the best of times for Christianity.

The first step to fixing it is to recognize it.

 

[Shadow1]

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It is not a war waged by Judaism and Christianity thank you very much, it is Islam extremists waging war on non-Islamic nations.

none of both, it's all about politics and economy
(but yes there are always some radical groups, not just islamic ones..)

 

[Shadow1]

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A quote from Jesus, I forget the reference and the exact quote as well

Yeah, Islam needs to recognize its problems and fix it.

Christianity have done a lot of that and thats the point I was trying to make the entire time.

We recognize our mistakes and fix it, thats how societies, cultures, and people improve.

We realized that the Witch Hunts and Crusades weren't the best of times for Christianity.

The first step to fixing it is to recognize it.

yes true, there are some islamic radical groups with, twisted beleifs and thinking (as well as the priest jhon in usa and others like him) but more serious

but not the teachings of islam... there's a difference, also i mean the real islamic teachings, the non extreme one, not that some radical groups make and follow and have some twisted purposes, like those who think that women must be locked at their homes and not work or study and etc...

 

[Shogun]

none of both, it's all about politics and economy
(but yes there are always some radical groups, not just islamic ones..)

I didn't state that because it is in the religion section and I'm trying to stick to religious aspects.

There are radical groups, but right now the public enemy number 1 are the Islamic extremists mostly.

 

[Shogun]

yes true, there are some islamic radical groups with, twisted beleifs and thinking (as well as the priest jhon in usa and others like him) but more serious

but not the teachings of islam... there's a difference, also i mean the real islamic teachings, the non extreme one, not that some radical groups make and follow and have some twisted purposes, like those who think that women must be locked at their homes and not work or study and etc...

Then Muslims should start banding together and protest and fight against it.

 

[Shadow1]

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I didn't state that because it is in the religion section and I'm trying to stick to religious aspects.

There are radical groups, but right now the public enemy number 1 are the Islamic extremists mostly.

i edited my post btw
anyway, depends on wich public you mean, anyway yes it's a danger, but n°1? idk, we have here more dangers than that, and people don't get twisted easilly by some RCD people who try to ruine things up and safe them selves and using the islamic radical groups somwhere from moon, as a way to hide themselves and turn the people from their plans, anyway it didnt work, it was a part of their conspericy, including other conspirecies (is it spelled right?), people knew, so, what i mean, no it's not always n°1, depends in the country and it's situation, and etc....