Acid Cowboy said:
So why aren't Muslims fixing their own houses by staying in Muslim countries rather than immigrating to the West?
Everytime we try to take care of one dictator, you come and support him becuase he serves your interests....does this
VIDEO ring any bells in your head ???
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Anyway, your defense of Saudi Arabia later in your post makes it clear you have no interest in fixing the "houses" of any Muslim neighbors.
It is so funny to hear that from you, it is YOU who are supporting the Saud Royal Family even you know they are very oppressive...dont blame us, blame yourselfs and your greedy nations...hell, they support our dictators and then they complain abou the lack of democrasy in the arab world !!
PATHETIC.
Where is this "massive discrimination in most western states"?
Muslim in the west are treated as third class citizen, if you dont live in Europe and if you are not Muslim then you dont know what I am talking about.....here is one example :
France fails immigrants, says official study
http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1132011,00.html
There was oppression of non-Muslims in Muslim nations long before France banned religious symbols including - but not exclusively - the hijab. Why weren't you complaining about this oppression before?
And where is your proof ???? I dont accept LIES from anti muslim hate sites, can you quote me something from AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL or HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH ????
Increadible this fallacy about muslim oppression of non muslims in Muslim countries !! did you know that we in Syria ( Muslim country ) have 4 CHRISTIAN HOLIDAYS as NATIONAL HOLIDAYS despite the fact that Syrian christias are no more than 10 % of the population ???
Show me one so called western 'liberal' society that consider muslim holidays as national holidays ?? Muslims in France are about 10 % also of the population and yet they dont get anything, instead they are discriminated against and persecuted.
Did you know that we in Syria pay the ELECTRICITY and the WATER bills for every single church in the land ???? My government pays these bills using our money ( taxes )...SHOW ME ONE WESTERN SO CALLED LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY THAT DO THE SAME ???
If you really wanted to impress me you would start a whole thread here at SciForums defending the rights of a Christian, Hindu, Jew or Scientologist to practice his or her religion in a place like Saudi Arabia.
I already explaind my position about this point, I think Muslims are oppressed MORE than christians, so I care about my people first and then I will care about others........FIX YOURSELF FIRST BEFORE YOU FIX OTHERS...COMMON SENSE, dont you agree ?
Muslims in GREECE for example are not allowed to build mosques nor to renew the ancient ones !! why should I talk about christians when my own people are oppressed in so many parts of this world ??
Muslims in most Eastern European states are not allowed to build mosques, they are not even recognized...so give me a break...I have to fight for my rights first before I fight for others right ...
So you were clearly lying when, earlier in this thread, you stated: "Saudi Arabia is closed religious state, they declare that and they make that very clear, so you have no right to question them, tell the french to declare their state religious, closed and conservative and muslims will shut up"
Lying about what ??? I still stand by what I said...
That doesn't explain away situations like Saudi Arabia where Muslims are the source of the aggression.
Why you guys are SO HYPOCRITES ?? there are 57 MUSLIM COUNTRIES, why only picking Saudi Arabia ?? is it because you cant find any LIES regarding other Muslim countries ????
Your hypocrisy is astounding. You are now defending the "right" of Muslim states to be closed, oppressive theocracies why denying non-Muslim states the "right" to do the same. You are willing to disregard your own religion in order to eliminate any dissenting views.
You are really pathetic !! you are interpreting what I write the way you want to suit your own wishes, hu ?? I am NOT defending the right of muslim states to be closed, I dont want other muslim states to be closed, I was talking about Saudi Arabia..........get some coffe to make you concentrate more on what I write !!!
So you believe that Christian and Jews should only have the right to freely exercise their religion if they abandon their own beliefs and start worshipping prophets and gods from your religion. So much for the non-compulsion of religion in Islam.
Where did I say that ??? Lying wont advance our discussion further than this post, you know.
Would you oppose removing all Muslims from non-Muslim countries using that same reasoning?
Muslims respect and indeed RECOGNIZE christianity and Judaism, while the laters DONT recognize let alone respect Islam....BIG DIFFERENCE.
Do Muslims believe that Judaism, Christianity, Scientology, Hinduism, Asatru, Buddhism and Wicca are divine? What about all the other religions?
We Muslims believe ONLY Christianity and Judaism are DIVINE, Abrahamic faiths.
Do Muslims recognize Odin and Ganesha as gods and Joseph Smith as a prophet from God? How about the Dalai Lama? What about all the other gods and alleged prophets out there?
look up to find my answer.
After hearing your answers to my questions above, I will use your own logic to form an argument as to why Muslims should be banned from every non-Muslim nation.
and where is your argument ????
In some other Muslim countries they are targets for genocide and slavery and sometimes have their churches and homes destroyed by their Muslim neighbors/rulers.
I cant find better than the word BULLSHIT to answer your above statement.
If you want to see what NON-MUSLIMS are doing to Muslims, here is some pictures:
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