Michael said:
I think you’re right about choosing a religious leader. I’m not sure what you mean about America and Israel’s heads?
This illegal war against Iraq was waged for 2 main reaons:
1- the Oil
2- The terrorist state of Israel's security...so electing ayatollah will turn the tables on Israel and its slave, The U.S.
Arabic before it was changed with the diacritical dots. You’d agree you could not read ancient Arabic – you know the language the Qur’an was originally written. You need to have the diacritical dot. There are few scholars who can still read the original written language.
I can still read the Ancient Arabic without the diacritical dots, If you are Arab speaker, you can guess the dots easily.
During a conversation with Allahmathamatics, he laid out some history of Pre-Islamic Arabia. I personally thought it was a little too religious-tainted but maybe not? I am surprised to hear you say he is atheistic.
Allahmathamatics ( Ak Ghassan ) is
NOT Muslim. He is An Arab but he is certainly not Muslim.
Basically did any Arabs believe they were descendents of a common ancestor – as is the case now? Anyway, I’m positive he said Mecca was the center of worship before Mohammad was born and that people would turn to pray towards it in reverence to the gods they worshiped then.
We dont depend on Jewish or Christian sources to authenticate our accounts of History because we Believe, both the Bible and the Torah are tampered with and corrupt.
As regarding to Mecca, it was the center of worship before the prophet Muhammad (pbuh ) for the SABEOUN ( the believers in the oneness of God ). The Pagans used
illegaly to put their idoles and worship them there.
I picked Saudi Arabia to illustrate a point. Just as you used France to illustrate your point (which I agree with mind you – that the law is morally wrong, nevertheless in a democracy it is the will of the majority of the people that decides, which was my point).
And I already explained the difference between Saudi Arabia and France, Saudi Arabia
DOES NOT claim to be FREE, LIBERAL AND OPEN state as France does...Saudi Arabia is CLOSED, RELIGOUS STATE...this must be very clear to you .
You are basically saying that it is OK for an Arab to migrate to Europe/England and worship as they see fit, build mosques as they see fit, and teach their children as they see fit. Whereas you are unwilling to allow Europeans to come to Saudi Arabia and to the same (we’ll say excluding Mecca and Medina)
You see, your argument is
INVALID, you are comparing a whole CONTINENT (Europe ) to ONE country ( Saudi Arabia ) !
The term used to describe when one person is allowed to do something but doesn’t allow another to do the same is called hypocrite.
EXACTLY, and that is what describes you since you purposely ignore the fact that most of the rest 56 MUSLIM STATES allow even banana worshipers to come and worship freely...
To say an Arab can build a Mosque in England but an Englishman can not build a church in Saudi Arabia is hypocritical. It’s really that simple. And that was my point.
or why we dont put it this way: TO SAY AN ARAB CAN BUILD A MOSQUE IN ENGLAND AND AN ENGLISHMAN CAN BUILD A CHURCH IN THE REST OF THE 56 MUSLIM STATES IS VERY FAIR !!
Why you dont get it ?? Saudi Arabia is THE HOLY OF THE HOLIEST, what is holy in England ?? declare England closed, religious holy land and muslims will not build any mosque there....how many times I need to EXPLAIN this to you ?????
This is true. It is you’re right. But then you will also AGREE that in the same manner it is then also the right of the French to decide who they let do what they want in their country.
SURE, they can do whatever they want, but passing
RACIST LAWS wont do them good favour specially if we know that their trade with the Muslim world is in the billions of Euros.
You would AGREE that the French could make Islam illegal and you would support it 100% as much as you support Saudi Arabia. Not to would be admitting to hypocrisy. Are you a hypocrite?
If France will become religious closed state, then YES, they have the right to ban Islam...but since they claim to be SECULAR, FREE, LIBERAL ,then they should shut the fuck up and stop persecuting Muslims.
Firstly, I agree with you. Secondlay , if there were a Greek here bitching about Saudi Arabia not letting Christians Build Churches in Saudi Arabia I’d just as quickly call him a hypocrite and try to point it out to him Greece doesn’t allow Muslims to build Mosques and try to get it into his head that even if America does that doesn’t then excuse Greece’s actions.
It is not about Greece, it is about the mentality of some westerners here..Greece is PART of the EU, how the hell your enlightened free liberal EU allow such scumbags to do this ???? do you see the
HYPOCRISY here ?
They wont admit TURKEY ( Muslim country with 70 million population ) into the EU because Turkey is Muslim country, they make up all kind of cheap excuses to ban turkey from joing( one of them is the human right record ) while their own memebrs such as Greece, Portugal and ALL the new comers dont allow Muslims to build mosques let alone renew the old ones !!!
And they’re, in my eyes wrong for acting as such. But they aren’t posting something about France so I very well can’t try to reason with them if they are not here.
well, using your logic, you cant bitch about Saudi Arabia because I am not SAUDI, I am Syrian, go ahead and talk about my country treatment of christians..
You bitch about Saudi Arabia because for you guys, Saudi Arabia, represents Islam, and you want to score cheap points on its expense.
The reason I am posting about France is because the French assholes are calling themselves secular, liberal, free, democratic..etc this law is clear persecution against muslims..MAKE NO MISTAKE, THEY WILL PAY HEAVY PRICE FOR THAT. no one dare to mess up with Muslims.
Remember it was the US that went to the aid of the E. European Muslims.
This is another famous
FALLACY...after the CHRISTIAN SERBS slaughtered thousands of muslims and after Muslims from all over the world started flocking to Bosnia to participate in the JIHAD against the christian serb killers, and after the Muslim Mujahideens achieved amazing advances, America and the NATO got so scared from the prospect of an ISLAMIC STATE in Bosnia, that is why they interfend and force the muslims, the Croats and the Serbs to sign DAYTON agreement.
Since when America care about Muslims and their sufferings ??
Don’t be silly, if or when I visit Mecca and Medina the holy cities will be just Tourist stuff to me.
And for this reason, you are BANNED from going there because it is
NOT for tourists, The holy cities of Mecca and Madina are
not tourist attractions.
The only way to visit them is to embrace Islam sincerely..so go ahead, read more about Islam and maybe Allah Almighty will guide you to his right path.
It’s all an individual perspective. And I’m Atheist. So although I would like to visit Mecca to see the sights – it’s wouldn’t hold one ounce of religious spiritual appeal for me. Basically tourist stuff – you know, take pictures of the people, the buildings, try the food, etc…And the thing is I can buy a ticket today and go. It’s really that simple.
it will never happen, we dont open our holy cities for tourists...it seems you guys specially the athiests dont know the value of something holy, you dont know even what the word holy means !!
It’s interesting my Lebanese friend said the Muslim world is finally opening their eyes and more and more are converting to Shia.(incidentally when he said that it reminded me of exactly what an evangelical friend was saying about the Catholics! – the two religions [Xian and Islam] are like two peas in a pod really)
The shias are bunch of losers, they are small sect ( less than 10 % ) of the Muslim world and they want to be noticed...as you said, when shias leave Iran, they become athiests, their faith is so absurd and illogical.
You wont find anyone converting to shia sect, it is the shias becoming athiests.
The majority of Muslims are SUNNIS ( 90% ), we dont prefer to use this term because we are MUSLIMS, while the shias are shias ( different sect ) but anyway, I am going to use the term sunni to differentiate from the shia sect, we Sunni muslims have
ISLAM, the mainstream Islam, with its amazing logic and reason, it makes sense to us and that is why it is rare to find mainstream sunni muslim becoming athiest or leaving Islam.
I mean look at the shias how pathetic they are ? look what they do in one of their religious days ( Ashora )
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You must mistaken me for someone born 100s of years ago. Incidentally, do you find it odd you have such hate about the Western colonization but think nothing of it when you refer to the Great Pyramid builders as “LIAR egyptian Copte”.
And are you that fool to believe that the LIAR COPTES are the ones who build the pyramids ??? wake up man....you are reading so much BULLSHIT.
And don’t think me a fool, we both know exactly why you added Copte after LIAR.
Indeed, because 'most' of the coptes are liars and haters, once those bastards leave Egypt to Europe or the USA, they start filthy hate campaign against Islam and Muslims accusing us of burning their churches, raping their women...etc...sometimes I wonder whether Muslims really need to do what those filthy coptes are alleging just to make matters more truthful !!! dirty bastards.
I think you need to pray to god to forgive you for not only your hypocrite attitude but also your bigotry. But that’s up to you.
You have to know something about Islam, in Islam, we dont turn the other cheek, we hit back until aggression ceases, we are proud of who we are, we are proud to CRUSH the haters and the liars who plot against Islam...those FILTHY COPTES are plotting against Islam and Muslims, just go to
www.paltalk.com in the middle east section and ''hear'' their filthy hate against Islam and Muslims....send me PM if you want to know more about how to log in into paltalk.com it is amazing multi media forum.
When someone plot against Islam, when someone hate ISLAM and wish it harm and indeed try to harm Muslims, we will not sit idle, we will wipe them out from the face of this earth.
But when someone respect us, when someone dont harm us, when someone let us live in Peace, we will die for them, we will protect them and honour them, this is what we did throughout our great Muslim history and we will continue to do so.
That makes no sense.
“The army didn’t hurt the indigenous people”.
Who’d they fight? Themselves!
Moronic!
Indeed it is moronic to be ignorant of Islam's history, most of these indigenous were living under the Roman or the Persian tyranny, the muslim armies crushed the two most powerful empires in their era COMBINDED and liberated those oppressed indigenous...go to History books and find out why the BISHOP of Jerusalem wanted to hand over the key of jerusalem to the second Muslim Khalifa in person, go to history books and read why the same bishop wanted Omar ibn Al khatab ( the secon khalifa ) to pray in the famous holy church in Jerusalem !!! if the Muslim armies were involved in killing the indigenous, will they get such MAJESTIC invitation from the head of the christian church in Jerusalem ??????????????????????????????????????????
This shows just how far you are willing to twist reality to convince yourself of these preconceived notions of dandelion picking Muslim Armies welcomed open armed into places like Persia!
I am not twisting reality, I am quoting HISTORICAL FACTS...it is not my fault if you are so ignorant of Islam's history.
Come on, the trouncing the Arabs did to the Persians is famous!! You know – the “indigenous people” called the Persian army. That was attacked and defeated. Soon after the Persian government was replaced with an Arab one – for the betterment of the people of course. Sound similar to you?
What a load of bullshit, I am sure you get this bullshit from ORIENSTALIST BIASED so called historians, right ???
Give me credible proof of what you are saying or you better have humble apple pie.
Maybe America in Iraq. But then again you already admitted you’re a hypocrite so one is OK (Arabs defeating Persia) and the other not OK (Americans defeating Arabs). Hmm and you’re Arab. I wonder why you are hypocritical? I think I now know.
Since when ''FREEDOM FRIES'' fatties can have any logic or reason ??? America was not welcomed with flores but with suicide martyers...Muslims were welcomed with flowers...no matter how much shit you put, history bear witness of the mercy of Arabs and Muslims....something you guys ( the new crusaders ) will never achieve.
As Vietnam, you will be crushed and defeated in Iraq....days are between us.
Explain to me the difference of an Islamic Army absolutely trouncing the Persian army (made of “indigenous people”) and replacing the heads of state with Arabs and the American army obliterating the Iraqi army and replacing the heads of state with their hand picked officials?
The big difference is that the indigenous people,The persians, welcomed the Muslims, the Iraqis
DID NOT welcome you, instead they are sending suicide martyers ( in fact, today in this morning, another 3 american soldiers killed in Iraq ),.....did you see the difference now ??
PS: And don’t blather on about how the Persian populace opened their arms and legs and welcomed the Arabs into Persia. That’s not the history they teach IN Iran to this day and if you ever go to Iran the bigotry you’ll feel today for being an Arab will attest to the history they teach themselves about how they were conquered.
Well, History is history, what they teach in Iran has nothing to do with history, it is to do with shias insecurity, they are always scared from the mainstream Islam...The Arabs are the holder of mainstream Islam and the Iranians know their shiite nonesense is not making any difference.
After All, in most American and western schools, they teach kids FALSELY that evolution is the only true explanation for life, does that make evolution fact ??
NEVER....