Sorry there marxist, I was not aware that calling what you are is offensive!!! If I shorten it to mark, will you be okay?
I have a feeling sensitivity training is coming!!!
Do you love America?
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Sorry there marxist, I was not aware that calling what you are is offensive!!! If I shorten it to mark, will you be okay?
I have a feeling sensitivity training is coming!!!
Dude, you have no basic understanding of what political terms mean. You are being coached by your marxist reference points.
I don't think you are an idiot "for having a basic understanding what political terms means (which you don't)". I know you are an idiot for not understanding what basic political terms mean.
Politics is on a line not two seperate circles. If you insist on this, then you need to leave any references of democracies or forms of it on one of your circles. This is off course why saying that terms are on a circular model does not work.
First, a circle cannot account for the middle or moderate positions. They lie in the middle, hence a line not a circle. The true moderate, if there is such a thing, ranges from nationalistic to semi nationalistic. Your fascist would fall on the edge of the nationalistic and to the left of center. Your radical republican (note small r, not party republican) would fall on the edge of semi nationalistic and to the right of center.
Second, the line goes from left to right/ totalitarian to anarchy. It is true that anarchy can lead to a form of totalitarianism, but typically anarchy is believed to be centered around total individual autonomy.
Third, true socialism and anarchy has never been practiced. The reasons are obvious. On the socialism front, individual autonomy and freedom are basically forbidden, because there is no incentive to succeed. On the anarchy front, there are too many people who are too busy sticking their noses in other people's business to allow true anarchy to unfold.
Fourth, fascism is a very close cousin of communism, or if you like marxism. Imagine a diamond model with communism on the top, socialism and fascism on the bottom points. Socialsim is merely internatiional communism and fascism is national communism. Sorry dude, there is nothing right wing about fascism. In fact, fascism used to be called a right wing socialist idea. Later, it became convenient to simple stop including socialist (hence the idea that fascism is a right wing ideologue). Naturally, you and your ilk sucked this up and began calling anyone to the right of center fascist.
Fifth, war is not a political ideology it is political to be sure, but does not associate with any ideology. The only ideology about war is pacifism, and a few religious groups who oppose war but then that would fall under pacifism. Most people do not desire war, but many understand it may be necessary to defend or protect i.e. FDR, Bush. True there is a economic benefit to war, but there are also social malign to war. America as a whole does not welcome long wars. And, I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories about FDR or Bush. Do I think we should be done with Iraq? Yes. Do I think that Bush messed it up? Yes, but not in the manner you do or other anti-bush surrogates. Does this make me a Bush sympathizer? No, I despise the fact that Bush has turned this country decidedly left. Not even Clinton did that, I cannot believe I just wrote that. Bush has decidedly damaged the republican party to the point that it is an iffy proposition as how true most Washington republicans are to the right. Many are not as evidenced by their, as well as Bushes, constant pandering and giving in to the left. Most people are too blinded by their hatred for Bush to see this, and that includes those on the right who defend Bush from the hatred. They have lost track of the big picture. Leftist are not capable of a big picture. There are too many snapshots to see the big picture.
Finally, as to the basic question of the thread, I am not a happy American. There is far too much government intrusion. Far too much police intervention into our daily lives, and Bush has moved this country to the left. There is no debate anymore. If someone wants to affect law, take it to the Supreme Court. If they are lucky, Kennedy falls in line with Stevens, Ginsberg, etc.
It is still the best country to live in, but the left is causing permanent damage and they have convinced a few on the right to tag along.
Disclaimer: I apologize for any grammar mistakes, as this post is simply too long to go over with a fine tooth comb, and it is simply too long.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=political+spectrum&btnG=Google+Search
here i punched it in for you. now educate yourself radicand
here i punched it in for you. now educate yourself radicand
You got the first bit wrong.radicand said:
I'm living in the best country in the world; you're living in a country that is actually 51 countries, all believing (mostly) that there's some single unifying principle, keeping it all together - although none of you appear able to say what that is.
You're just like any other group of humans, who like to blame "outsiders" for all their problems. That sort of thing goes back way further than the couple of centuries you guys have been trying to understand what a "country" is.
just to warn you your not dealing with someone who has a very good grasp of politics.
No wonder you're so fucked up. The author majored in metallurgy and received a doctorate in philosphy of materials science. That's good, moron (you). I am not saying this guy may not know a thing or two, I am sure he is an intelligent guy. However, remember the guy is interested in metallurgy. Does that help you? I will give you that he does have an interesting website.
I will, for arguments sakes, grant for a moment that this model is good. I can only it as such on one front. It does hit the left fairly well, but not to its full extent. The left typically wants all control over everything, hence the open dissemination of information and such. The left refuses to allow the individual freedom and liberty to pursue his/her happiness. The left refuses individual responsibilty in favor of group responsibility or state responsibility. I think your target is good on that front, but he does not fully appreciate (for lack of a better term) leftist politics.
Continuing on, the right does not indoctrinate unless you would say that the church does so. In which case, you would be saying that only the right has tabs on religion. Is that really something you are prepared to say? I doubt it! I won't argue that churches tend to indoctrinate, but that is not exclusive to the right. Think Obama. Oh wait, that's not indoctrination thats agreement.
Anyway, private property rights do not take precedence over civil rights as far as a right winger is concerned. They are the same thing. Again, the left has succeeded in changing what it means to have civil rights. Actually, this hijacking was used more to bring out the injustices that some people were abusing. The end result was the same the phrase was hijacked. That's all for now, I am tired.
However, I am glad you provided some education for me. Afterall, I couldn't match the wits of an imbecile without it.
Dude, all the smart ass comments withstanding, I majored in polisci. Admittedly I am not all knowing of the subject, but I have spent some time studying it and not a metallurgist or marxist websites (Although, I do frequent them. It is nice to know what the enemy thinks, I am speaking of the marxist websites.).
Have a splendid day!!
Please expand on your thesis here. And please tell me what country is greater than the US?
Yea, because I do not follow the party line. But then, I am not of that party!!!
Sucks doesn't it. Not everybody takes the word of a metallurgist on how to view politics, some of us actually study it ourselves. It's called individual initiative. Hint: it is forbidden in leftist territory.
Have a splendid day!!
I LOVE AMERICA!!!!!
IT HAS MUCH TO BE PROUD OF!!!
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DESTROY MY COUNTRY WITH WORDS!!!
IT IS STRONG AND IF IT FALLS, SO WILL EVERY OTHER COUNTRY WITH IT!!!
MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS, WE AMERICANS ARE NOT GOING TO GET FLABBY IN THE HEAD BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD WANTS TO GO ON SNIVELING ABOUT HOW BAD AMERICA IS...HAVE THEY NO AWARENESS WHAT IT HAS DONE???
Find me a country free of any guilt...just one...and I will stop defending my beloved mother land AMERICA!!!
Since Vkothii is offline at the moment, I'll attempt an answer on his behalf ( noting that I'm nowhere near as erudite {I'm more araldite} as him and don't even live in the same country)
New Zealand ( again, I don't live there) God's own country( no, Vkothii and I are screaming christians, it's just a turn of phrase) mate!
Pristine air quality, best surf in the world (more consistent and various than Hawaii) brilliant fishing, progressive thinkers, ecologically switched on, nobody's political puppets, down to earth, worldly, humourous, play international sport way out of their weight range, brilliant scenery, laid back lifestyle, shit they even make good beer.
Seriously, by comparison and I'm not saying this to offend, the U.S looks like a noisy, opinionated, brash, soap opera wannabe with too much collagen and aterrible, terrible propensity for overacting.
I'll let Vkothii or vslayer chime in now although we might have to wait I think it's 4.00 A.M there now.
my link was a google search. so please don't strawman the fuck out of it.
than please tell me what school you went to so i can avoid going to such a shitty place.
Groovy dude, the problem when you start a paragraph/sentence with the phrase redefining what are you really doing? i have looked at the other sites. It does not change my premises. I won't say that some things are sort of grey, but that only means that it is tougher to define where a person may lie.
Sometimes it is hard to actually try to think things through (a problem to you, because if it is difficult you rely on websites and marxist research). Research is great, but you still have to draw your own conclusions other wise you are a slave.
I refuse to be accept to your premises, not because your llinks are bad. Rather because the argument is too important so scatter it all over the wall, so as to confuse the basics philosophies. Doing this leads to people insisting on simply accepting that fascism is a right wing ideologue. Doing this leads to people using fifteen dollar words or concepts in order dupe the masses into thinking how intelligent that person is and that his/her word is gospel. This is dishonest.
The political line has basic core political philosophies. More government/far left & less government/ far right. It is the center that occupies the most people, and that includes left and right. You may choose to ignore this, but this is really much more complicated than just a line. The basic premises should be measured by government involvement v personal freedom. You don't have to believe me. Actually review one of your sources to the link you gave. Go to the Advocates for self government, look at the axis they gave. Notice that to the right side it stresses less government and to the left it stresses more government.
A particular philosophy may have left and right aspects to it, but that only places it in the grand scheme in the center of the line.
Dude, actually read and engage with an open mind. Your problem is that you refuse to engage honestly. You simply state the marxist position and dismiss out of hand anything. Your premise is that you are simply superior to everyone else and anything else. Marxist in a nutshell.
I have tried to engage the conversation to find specific points about political philosophy and it connects with a larger picture. You have tried to present an argument based on what others think and have provided sound bites. You have displayed no core sense of politics. Soundbites and marxist reprints do not provide core thinking, they only express righteousness indignation to the people who refuse to comply.
Your link was fine. It provided food for thought, but still there is a basic line that all these political ideologues align.
You refuse to engage because you believe yourself intellectually superior to me and because I refuse to kneel at your alter, you resort to continual insults.
Thanks for participating bye bye now!!
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
if its 2 important than why are you doing it.
Dude, you are truly dense.
It is I who am trying to simplify and clarify the terms and where they relate on the line. It is you who tries to make it overly sophisticated and murky.
To clarify, I am not splattering it all over the wall. Your marxism is showing very clear.
over simplifing something is not trying to make things clear. ignoring the shades and nuances shows a lack of understanding which you have clearly shown. and why do you call anyone who disagrees with you a marxist. I am not a marxist in fact my ideology is comprised of for the most part a basic understanding people completely opposed to marxism.
how is me trying to be accurate being over sophisticated and murky?
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
You have all the nuance of Black and White.