Do you love America?

What's there to love about America? It's simply another eroding Empire, infected by the lethal, all-encompassing tentacles of elite Jewry. Admittedly, aside from flagrant slavery and whatnot, its history is admirable through many aspects ... but alas, those days are long gone. Today it's nothing more than a sick, corrupt plutocracy serving special interests with its vast military. Unfortunately, America has fallen to such a miserable stature that it is virtually unimportant as to who is elected President. The people can vote and debate politics until they're blue in the face, but nothing will ever change.

Kadark the Revolutionary
 
Kadark the Cynic: "Unfortunately, America has fallen to such a miserable stature that it is virtually unimportant as to who is elected President. The people can vote and debate politics until they're blue in the face, but nothing will ever change."

Things changed considerably when our current US President was elected/selected and operated.

Things are poised to change significantly, now that his Neoconservative cabal has collapsed in failure.

We don't do it thoroughly enough, but we do slough off more of our leadership, and do we do it much more regularly and peacefully than Turkey, for example.
 
hypewaders said:
Things changed considerably when our current US President was elected/selected and operated.

Things are poised to change significantly, now that his Neoconservative cabal has collapsed in failure.

We don't do it thoroughly enough, but we do slough off more of our leadership, and do we do it much more regularly and peacefully than Turkey, for example.
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Indubitably, things did change following the current President's election, but undoubtedly for the worse. His brand of neoconservatism doesn't seem like it's on its last breath, does it? John "I'm still alive!" McCain shares his endorser's mindset of war-mongering and fear-tactics. Is it successful? You'd better believe it, considering McCain is virtually neck-and-neck with Obama (who, by the way, will never be able to withdraw from Iraq, contrary to his promises). At the end of the day, people vote for the candidate that represents the safer choice, who in this case happens to be the old White veteran (and not the younger Black heretic with a suspicious Muslim background/affiliation with vocal Black leaders). The last President in the U.S. who attempted to bring significant reform to his nation was assassinated, which paved the way for the lily-livered puppets you have today. Call me a cynic, but I know a genuine candidate when I see one, and that candidate is Ron Paul. People heard his message, but chose to ignore it.

Also, why bring Turkey's politics into a thread dealing with America and people's attitudes toward it? Turkey's system of military intervention would be an ingenious idea if implemented in the U.S. See how much the elite weasels get away with when the military refuses to do their bidding. Just some friendly thoughts on my part, though, so let's not get carried away.

Kadark the King
 
"why bring Turkey's politics into a thread dealing with America and people's attitudes toward it?"

Your avatar made it the first comparison that came to mind.

"At the end of the day, people vote for the candidate that represents the safer choice, who in this case happens to be the old White veteran"

I think you're wrong this time, unless there's a new scare-attack on the USA. Let's check back on this in November.

"Just some friendly thoughts on my part, though, so let's not get carried away."

(sigh) :truce:
 
hypewaders:

What can I say? I sincerely hope you turn out to be right, hype; I seriously don't want McCain to be elected. I guess I'm just a mean-spirited pessimist. :(

Kadark the Legend
 
McCain just might get elected...and then Iran...Venezuela...maybe Russia...war will loom over us all
 
Enmos said:
So you would be similarly proud of any country you would be born in ?
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There is a degree of pride in whatever place you call your home. I would even say that I have more immediate pride in my hometown than my home country. I mean, who doesn't? I don't suppose it would matter what nation in the world I was in, the city I was born in would be my pride. Or my shame, I suppose, given the situation.

But you can't deny how magnificent this country's foundation was. This nation's constitution and Bill of Rights are absolutely fantastic and inspiring. I mean, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, democracy...all of this in an immigrant nation? It doesn't get any better than that.

I think people lose sight of the fact that while we are meddling in places we don't belong, who are these crimes being committed against? Saddam? You're going to cry for him? Yeah, I don't agree with the war either, but at the end of the day, we're still stomping out a ruthless murderer!

If you're American and you don't appreciate this country, you need to reevaluate your situation, and stop believing everything you see Michael Moore put on film.
 
JDawg said:
There is a degree of pride in whatever place you call your home. I would even say that I have more immediate pride in my hometown than my home country. I mean, who doesn't? I don't suppose it would matter what nation in the world I was in, the city I was born in would be my pride. Or my shame, I suppose, given the situation.
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Yea, but doesn't that realization kind of devaluate that pride ?
 
Enmos said:
Yea, but doesn't that realization kind of devaluate that pride ?
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Not at all. I don't blindly have pride in my city. I may have a blind affinity for where I grew up; I may always want to go back there and visit, even if it means taking a drive down the side roads again, or walking through Central Park (yes, we have one in Schenectady) to the places where I had my first kiss, or drank my first beer, or fell in love for the first time.

Pride, I think, may be different. I'm from Upstate New York, which happens to be--like most places in the Northeast--rich with history. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on in the place I grew up. It has definitely taken a downturn since I've left, but the history is still there, and it's one hell of a place.
 
JDawg said:
Not at all. I don't blindly have pride in my city. I may have a blind affinity for where I grew up; I may always want to go back there and visit, even if it means taking a drive down the side roads again, or walking through Central Park (yes, we have one in Schenectady) to the places where I had my first kiss, or drank my first beer, or fell in love for the first time.

Pride, I think, may be different. I'm from Upstate New York, which happens to be--like most places in the Northeast--rich with history. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on in the place I grew up. It has definitely taken a downturn since I've left, but the history is still there, and it's one hell of a place.
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I'm not trying to pull your chain here, but if you would have equal pride for just about any country you could have grown up in.. that pride really doesn't have much to do with the country itself.
Besides, isn't pride usually expressed over something you had influence over ? Something you made, or orchestrated, or something ?
 
Enmos said:
I'm not trying to pull your chain here, but if you would have equal pride for just about any country you could have grown up in..
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I don't know that to be true, and neither do you, because you were only born in one place, as was I.

And you're not listening to my reasons. You've simply ignored my reasons and pretended that I never gave them. You're pretending that there is no reason to be proud of this nation.

Besides, isn't pride usually expressed over something you had influence over ? Something you made, or orchestrated, or something ?
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If so, then maybe pride isn't the right word for it, but it's the only word I've ever heard used for it. Secondly, why are you nitpicking me? Do you have a legitimate argument, or are you just going to hide behind your nebulous pseudo-argument?
 
JDawg said:
I don't know that to be true, and neither do you, because you were only born in one place, as was I.

And you're not listening to my reasons. You've simply ignored my reasons and pretended that I never gave them. You're pretending that there is no reason to be proud of this nation.
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No, I'm saying people will find reasons in any country.

JDawg said:
If so, then maybe pride isn't the right word for it, but it's the only word I've ever heard used for it. Secondly, why are you nitpicking me? Do you have a legitimate argument, or are you just going to hide behind your nebulous pseudo-argument?
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Fair enough.
 
Adlai Stevenson put well what I feel:

I venture to suggest that what we mean is a sense of national responsibility which will enable America to remain master of her power—-to walk with it in serenity and wisdom, with self-respect and the respect of all mankind; a patriotism that puts country ahead of self; a patriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime. These are words that are easy to utter, but this is a mighty assignment. For it is often easier to fight for principles than to live up to them.
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No, I'm saying people will find reasons in any country.
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What's to say there aren't very legitimate reasons to love any nation? But, to be fair, you don't see Americans hopping on their rafts and floating to Cuba. You don't see Americans buying plane tickets to Iran. You don't see Americans jumping the border to Mexico.

So I'd say there must be something to my love of this place.
 
Loving a country because you were born in it is retarded.

Besides that, what is there to love about the US? Whatever your answer is, there are other countries that do it better, so you're supposed to love them?
 
The USA were far ahead of their time in 1776. That we've forgotten who we were doesn't mean we can't discover who we can be. For all our failings, we still have a tremendous head start.
 
pjdude1219 said:
yes, i am liberal and damn proud of it. yes, i belive george bush is the single worst thing to have ever happened to this nation. yes i feel the iraq war was a disaster of epic proportion. yes, i love america.
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Please explain how Bush is the single worst thing to ever happen to America?????

He is bad, but by far not the worst. And, he is not bad because of Iraq (IMO).
 
radicand said:
Please explain how Bush is the single worst thing to ever happen to America?????

He is bad, but by far not the worst. And, he is not bad because of Iraq (IMO).
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He's the worst ever because its fashionable to say so.
 
radicand said:
Please explain how Bush is the single worst thing to ever happen to America?????

He is bad, but by far not the worst. And, he is not bad because of Iraq (IMO).
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ignoring sound science to promote corporate and religious agendas, politicizing the justice department, gross incompentence in dealing with disasters, using 9/11 to erode civil liberties, squandering the surplus, putting up the largest deficts ever, lying to the american people to gain support for an unneeded war, pissing off most the world TWICE, failure to capture bin laden, ignoring alquida to go to war in iraq, being one of the most intransparent presidencies this country has ever had, and ignoring postwar planning for iraq which ensured to went to crap. Need any more
 
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