Magical Realist
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Crazy things famous Christians say
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Magical Realist,
How do you know this?
Because there is no need to (for heterosexuals).
On the basis that there is no need to.
If someone told me they had sex last night, I do not need anymore information to understand what they meant bu that statement.
I disagree. It is entirely possible to lose interest in sexual attraction if you want to. It is no different than giving up smoking, or eating chocolate. Admittedly it can be a difficult proccess depending on ones state of mind, but definitely not impossible.
How so?
I didn't say it wasn't defined as such, but the meaning of the word is as I stated.
That is your present experience, not mine.
jan.
How do you know this?
Because there is no need to (for heterosexuals).
On the basis that there is no need to.
If someone told me they had sex last night, I do not need anymore information to understand what they meant bu that statement.
I disagree. It is entirely possible to lose interest in sexual attraction if you want to. It is no different than giving up smoking, or eating chocolate. Admittedly it can be a difficult proccess depending on ones state of mind, but definitely not impossible.
How so?
I didn't say it wasn't defined as such, but the meaning of the word is as I stated.
That is your present experience, not mine.
jan.
Magical Realist
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I already said why.
"Heterosexuals do not go around claiming that they CHOSE to be attracted to the opposite gender as opposed to the same gender. And neither do gay people."
Do you know anyone who believes they chose to be heterosexual over being homosexual? Or that they chose to be gay over being straight? I don't. That would assume everybody is bisexual, a claim that just isn't supported by the facts.
Also the science is clear on this. Orientation is biologically-caused, not chosen.
Your need not to know people's orientations doesn't constitute evidence for the non-existence of such. We have people of heterosexual orientations, and gay orientations, and bisexual orientations. That's just a fact of the world, whether you want to know it or not.
It's possible to lose your sex drive, but not because you choose to. Loss of sex drive is usually a sign of some other physical condition-impotence, frigidity, medication side effects, hormonal deficiencies due to aging, sickness, alcohol, or depression. And no, losing your sex drive doesn't mean you chose to stop being sexually oriented to a particular gender. Your orientation is still the same even though you lost your sex drive.
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And you know this because you worked very hard to get rid of your homosexual thoughts, right?
billvon,
I agree that is one aspect of it regardless of homo/hetero-sexual leanings, but not the entire spectrum. Humans do not have to be controlled by their sexual urges, they can, if they want, be in control of them.
They don't have to look at images in that way if they don't want to.
In a society which is completely obsessed with sex, it's not an easy thing to do, but it's not impossible.
jan.
I agree that is one aspect of it regardless of homo/hetero-sexual leanings, but not the entire spectrum. Humans do not have to be controlled by their sexual urges, they can, if they want, be in control of them.
They don't have to look at images in that way if they don't want to.
In a society which is completely obsessed with sex, it's not an easy thing to do, but it's not impossible.
jan.
Magical Realist,
Why should ''heterosexuals feel the need to explain anything about their so called heterosexual-ism?
Homosexuals are the ones that need to justify their actions, and the reasons they are the way they are, in a bid to normalize them. ''Heterosexual-ism'' being the model of normality.
Anyone can choose who they desire to have sex with. Realistically there is no need for different denominations. It's just basically satisfying your urge how you want to. Sexuality is the capacity for sexual feelings (first and foremost).
Science is not clear on it.
It shows that it matters not. It's been made to look important, but it really isn't.
I'm not talking about sex drive, I'm talking about interest.
You forgot to mention lack of interest.
jan.
Why should ''heterosexuals feel the need to explain anything about their so called heterosexual-ism?
Homosexuals are the ones that need to justify their actions, and the reasons they are the way they are, in a bid to normalize them. ''Heterosexual-ism'' being the model of normality.
Anyone can choose who they desire to have sex with. Realistically there is no need for different denominations. It's just basically satisfying your urge how you want to. Sexuality is the capacity for sexual feelings (first and foremost).
Science is not clear on it.
It shows that it matters not. It's been made to look important, but it really isn't.
I'm not talking about sex drive, I'm talking about interest.
You forgot to mention lack of interest.
jan.
Enmos
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The 'word of God' is not science.
Enmos
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I think I made my point.
I know, but out of interest in what you assert, I wonder if you could answer the question.
If you don't want to, fair enough.
jan.
I assume that your statements about choice are from your own choices.
If, however, you have never faced the choice about rejecting your attraction to men, then it seems like you made no real choice in the matter, yet you assume that others are importantly different from you.
Magical Realist
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That has nothing to do with it. It's simply a fact that people identify as heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual, and do so all the time.
Gay people don't have to justify anything. They are who they are, just like heterosexuals, which is the essence of being normal.
You can't choose which gender you are attracted to. I've already said this several times.
Care to quote some science articles showing it is a choice?
According to the American Psychological Association:
"Most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive, and biological factors . . . ; human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed." - See more at: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/art...ot-through-psychotherapy#sthash.hnjTZvem.dpuf
Orientation is important enough apparently to some people to discriminate because of it. When I was in the Navy in the 90's I could've been discharged if I had admitted I was gay. So you are wrong. It DOES matter in this world.
Same thing.
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Enmos
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Sure, in the same way that .knowledge of. the words of the brothers Grimm is knowledge.
If you have any follow-up questions, please create another thread.
PhysBang,
Why on earth would you do that?
No need to look any further than people like Cynthia Nixon, or the pop geezer out of the band, 'Blue'.
This doesn't make sense to me.
jan,
Why on earth would you do that?
No need to look any further than people like Cynthia Nixon, or the pop geezer out of the band, 'Blue'.
This doesn't make sense to me.
jan,
Enmos
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My point was that science IS clear on it. That you equate fairytales with science is your problem.
Agreed. Indeed, 99.9% of people (including heterosexuals, bisexuals and homosexuals) are.
Of course. These were people who volunteered to look at images for the purpose of science.
Of course it doesn't.
But you never made a choice about your sexuality, yet you seem to assume that everyone else does.
billvon,
So you agree that attraction between humans is not limited to 'sexual attraction'. Good.
In control of their sexual urges? In a sex obsessed society?
???
jan.
So you agree that attraction between humans is not limited to 'sexual attraction'. Good.
In control of their sexual urges? In a sex obsessed society?
???
jan.