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As an absolute condition, you're out of luck. Human beings will never do away wholly with religion. History presents us with examples of what happens when the state becomes the focus of such zeal. And, hell, if you live in a baseball town ....
As long as there are mysteries to answer about Life, the Universe, and Everything, human beings will idealize, and even idolize them.
Ah. So S.A.M. is culpable for what happens in, oh, I don't know, say, Iran?
Actually, it seemed the polite thing to do, rather than to simply presume what you meant. Especially when the presumption casts you in a reprehensible light.
So, indeed, I greatly appreciate you clearing that up.
To reiterate:
Who says they should?
Obviously.
The media? Fuck. Is there any popular whipping-boy you won't go after?
Okay, okay. Show me, please, one of these media depictions suggesting that Muslims live under rocks.
Ah, yes. The benevolent attack. I'll encourage her to thank you.
Whatever you say. You know, like, "now all they need to do is apply those ideas on their own societies".
And S.A.M. is your example.
Partially part of it?
S.A.M.'s not in one of those countries where the politics and laws are based on various assertions of Islam. We might as well demand the megachurch up the street answer for the Vatican.
And? Yes, it's ironic to hear that sort of talk in defense of monotheism.
But why don't you tell us what you know about S.A.M.'s Islam. Obviously, you know more than I do, because I've never bothered asking her for the details. I mean, I would imagine that there are "Friday" or "holiday" Muslims, just like I was raised as a holiday Christian. But I don't know how many of them there are. And I certainly don't know if S.A.M. is one. The fact that she's a Muslim doesn't matter that much to me, and when it does, it's because someone else has made a point of it. So, since you obviously know more about her individual faith and conduct, please do enlighten us.
I don't think hypocrisy is your biggest worry.
As you become more familiar with the goings-on at this site, you'll find that I'm one of the harsher critics of monotheism. But I have to admit that, as a general principle, it's really hard to mount much of a spirited defense of atheism around here. You'll find our atheists aren't much help to their own cause.
No, it's not that strange. Again, when you become more familiar with how this community functions, you'll find plenty of anti-Islamic bigots are allowed to run free. And their critics are often reined in.
Really?
If S.A.M. was a Christian, you would have written,
And would you have justified it by blaming the media?
Who ever said she did?
Liebling said:
As an absolute condition, you're out of luck. Human beings will never do away wholly with religion. History presents us with examples of what happens when the state becomes the focus of such zeal. And, hell, if you live in a baseball town ....
As long as there are mysteries to answer about Life, the Universe, and Everything, human beings will idealize, and even idolize them.
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Swivel said:
Ah. So S.A.M. is culpable for what happens in, oh, I don't know, say, Iran?
People that feign ignorance about what I meant make me laugh.
Actually, it seemed the polite thing to do, rather than to simply presume what you meant. Especially when the presumption casts you in a reprehensible light.
So, indeed, I greatly appreciate you clearing that up.
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PsychoTropicPuppy said:
To reiterate:
I don't see how the specific of being Muslim has anything to do with the discussion. Theist? Sure. Monotheist? Most definitely. But Muslim? In response to the proposition of "embracing the concept of coexistence"?
Who says they should?
Obviously.
The media? Fuck. Is there any popular whipping-boy you won't go after?
Okay, okay. Show me, please, one of these media depictions suggesting that Muslims live under rocks.
Ah, yes. The benevolent attack. I'll encourage her to thank you.
Whatever you say. You know, like, "now all they need to do is apply those ideas on their own societies".
And S.A.M. is your example.
Partially part of it?
S.A.M.'s not in one of those countries where the politics and laws are based on various assertions of Islam. We might as well demand the megachurch up the street answer for the Vatican.
And? Yes, it's ironic to hear that sort of talk in defense of monotheism.
But why don't you tell us what you know about S.A.M.'s Islam. Obviously, you know more than I do, because I've never bothered asking her for the details. I mean, I would imagine that there are "Friday" or "holiday" Muslims, just like I was raised as a holiday Christian. But I don't know how many of them there are. And I certainly don't know if S.A.M. is one. The fact that she's a Muslim doesn't matter that much to me, and when it does, it's because someone else has made a point of it. So, since you obviously know more about her individual faith and conduct, please do enlighten us.
I don't think hypocrisy is your biggest worry.
As you become more familiar with the goings-on at this site, you'll find that I'm one of the harsher critics of monotheism. But I have to admit that, as a general principle, it's really hard to mount much of a spirited defense of atheism around here. You'll find our atheists aren't much help to their own cause.
No, it's not that strange. Again, when you become more familiar with how this community functions, you'll find plenty of anti-Islamic bigots are allowed to run free. And their critics are often reined in.
Really?
If S.A.M. was a Christian, you would have written,
though, it has one positive thing to it, it shows that not every Christian is living under a rock. now all they need to do is apply those ideas on their own societies.
And would you have justified it by blaming the media?
Who ever said she did?
