Atheists : Are you on a crusade?

Atheists : Are you on a crusade?

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There is a loud and vocal group misrepresenting both sides. As a theist (Christian), I am not on a crusade, but will state my beliefs. I support anyone else's right to believe otherwise (without suppressing any compulsion to say that they're headed for hellfire and damnation. LOL!)

I have atheist friends who support me in my beliefs but are not the type to be swayed by a lack of proof or strong evidence.

The 'crusaders" do not represent me or my beliefs as a Christian. My faith proves nothing scientific. My faith in God doesn't hurt anyone and I try to keep it that way (but I'm human and am fallible.)

A belief or theorem in the unproven is the only way to further knowledge. So I also don't think that my faith is unscientific, it's just unproven (but perhaps not unprovable in the future.)
 
If you aren't on a crusade, then you must be sociopathic, or you don't really believe it. Why wouldn't you care if people are heading for hell?
 
I wouldn't consider myself an atheist nor a theist, but I do feel the question applied to me because I have a huge theological problem with the methodogy of 99% of the theists. If anything, I'm probably somewhere along the lines of an atheist-leaning-agnostic who doesn't know or care either way if God exists. And I question anyone that says they do know for a fact. I do care that so many people believe that it is a FACT that God does or doesn't exist, instead of realizing that it is unproven on both sides of the argument and that they don't accept the possibility that they may be wrong.

Anywho, in summary, I voted yes for myself because I am very intelligent when in reference to the bible and I LOVE challenging Christians. Seems I often know more than they do about their own texts.
 
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spidergoat said:
If you aren't on a crusade, then you must be sociopathic, or you don't really believe it. Why wouldn't you care if people are heading for hell?
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That's the difference between you and Fauxtoegraft. You can't conceive of the idea of having a view and not being on a crusade. To you, it's all the same thing. It's people like you, you know, the ones who "care", that are the real crusaders. When atheists talk about the islamic and christian crusades, they are totally missing the point which is that they weren't about religion. They were about control and power over others. Something which you crave, no doubt.
 
Right, and the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

If you really cared about people, you might want to inform them about things you feel are correct. That is no vice.
 
Spidergoat, do you actually believe that religious crusades are about religion? No no, religion is the tool used for control. As for informing people about things you feel are correct, go ahead, but no one likes to be preached at, and that's ultimately what you want to do. You call it "informing". Quaint.
 
Kellisness said:
Spidergoat, do you actually believe that religious crusades are about religion? No no, religion is the tool used for control.
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Woah! Um.... you may want to study up on the history of Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

If you think crusades (wars) fought in the name of religion aren't about the religion themselves, you might want to rethink that. Read a book.
 
spidergoat said:
Right, and the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

If you really cared about people, you might want to inform them about things you feel are correct. That is no vice.
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The Civil war was not about slavery Spidy. It was about separation of the Union . True Slavery played a big roll and was a positive out come , but it was more about Separation of the union . The White Man in the North was a nasty little nasty when it came to equal rights . Consider how the Irish were treated back then. Considered inferior. Those Protestants thought they were so much better than everyone else
 
I am on a crusade. To change every thing . Yeah that is my special little crusade. First topple the monetary system
 
Kellisness said:
Originally Posted by spidergoat
If you aren't on a crusade, then you must be sociopathic, or you don't really believe it. Why wouldn't you care if people are heading for hell?
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That's the difference between you and Fauxtoegraft. You can't conceive of the idea of having a view and not being on a crusade. To you, it's all the same thing. It's people like you, you know, the ones who "care", that are the real crusaders. When atheists talk about the islamic and christian crusades, they are totally missing the point which is that they weren't about religion. They were about control and power over others. Something which you crave, no doubt.
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spidergoat actually makes a good point here. The Bible clearly teaches that many people will be going to hell. It also clearly teaches that every Christian should try to save as many as possible (obviously it is ultimately God that does the saving, but a Christian is supposed to be one of the tools that he uses). So it could be argued that any Christian who doesn't actively share their faith either doesn't really give a shit about who's going to go down with the ship, or doesn't really believe that anyone really is going to go down with it. In either case, how can the person in question be considered a true Christian?

Not everyone is a Christian of course. But if those who claim that their knowledge of God is derived from scripture feel that they can pick and choose from that scripture, what does that say about the integrity of that scripture? If scripture is not infallible, or even if it is widely open to interpretation, how can we be certain of the truth of anything that is proclaimed therein? What consequence is there anymore for not believing in God at all? None? Good. Faith in God, then, is just something that many people feel enriches their lives and atheists can choose to enrich their lives in other ways. Everyone's happy.

The problem we have in these forums however is that there are so many different kinds of theists that it's almost impossible to know what you've come up against. One minute it's Christian fundamentalism, the next minute it's some kind of random ill-defined deism and the next it's a claim that they are all essentially the same thing. It's an ever moving target. But often you all tend to band together in spite of the fact that so many of you don't even agree with each other. Collectively, then, you form a malleable blob of non-specificity that is impossible to define and therefore impossible to accurately address. Indeed, some of you may even believe that this is exactly what God is, and that that's the whole point. In any case, atheists often have to resort to taking stabs in the dark in order to get some interesting discussion going and will almost invariably offend someone in the process.

I'm not complaining about any of this. If I didn't enjoy the discussion I wouldn't participate. I'm happy to grapple with the aforementioned blob of theism. But I think it's important for theists to understand what this forum looks like to an atheist, and why we are sometimes way off the mark with our commentary. We always hit someone, but it's the 10 people we missed who get their knickers in a twist over it.
 
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Kellisness said:
Spidergoat, do you actually believe that religious crusades are about religion? No no, religion is the tool used for control. As for informing people about things you feel are correct, go ahead, but no one likes to be preached at, and that's ultimately what you want to do. You call it "informing". Quaint.
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I think to discount the role of religion in inspiring people to capture the holy city of Jerusalem is foolish.

Me-Ki-Gal said:
The Civil war was not about slavery Spidy. It was about separation of the Union . True Slavery played a big roll and was a positive out come , but it was more about Separation of the union . The White Man in the North was a nasty little nasty when it came to equal rights . Consider how the Irish were treated back then. Considered inferior. Those Protestants thought they were so much better than everyone else
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It is known from primary sources that the issue was slavery. Read this:

The Confederate and Neo-Confederate Reader: The "Great Truth" about the "Lost Cause"
 
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