Atheists : Are you on a crusade?

Atheists : Are you on a crusade?

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Spidergoat, if you wanted power and control, you'd use whatever tools at your disposal to attain it. If you wanted people to fight wars on your behalf, those people would need a motivation, something powerful. Religion can and has been used in that way. If you think about it, most religious people are pretty peaceful, and yet look at how many wars there have been and still are over religion. It doesn't make any sense. Religions have always been used as tools for power and control. I believe in god but I would never get involved in anything like that because I don't belong to any religious "tribe", as it were. It's very easy to manipulate religious people into playing down the peaceful aspects of their religion and artificially emphasising the not so peaceful aspects. Israel / Palestine is the part of the world where Jesus lived and taught (I don't believe this myself but many do) and yet it is also a place of mass long term conflict. That's how easy it is to manipulate people. Religion isn't the problem, it's the fact that it can be manipulated, and so it is.

Take any religion. For the most part, it is the "good" things in it that attract people to it (ie be good, love others, etc etc etc). Wars are not built on those things. They can't be, it doesn't work. They're built on the tribal / identity / cultural aspects that can so easily be played up. Look at how football hooligans behave. Yet it's not about football.
 
Why can religion be used in this way? I suggest because it conditions people to accept things on faith, and by authority, rather than by evidence.

Religion also divides humanity into believers and unbelievers, and so it reinforces the tribal aspects of humanity, even if the tribe is not an ethnic group.

Let me ask you this, if you believe in God, but not organized religion, where do your values come from?
 
Spidergoat, look around. We live in a world where most people take a lot of things on faith and on authority.

If an individual wants to follow a religion because they feel that it will help them to be more moral, or simply because they agree with its principles, there's nothing wrong with that. Actually it's a good thing.

Just as all countries have negative aspects to their history and culture, as well as positive things, so do religions. And all religions feature the promotion of morals and positive principles. No war can ever result from that. You can't create a bad thing out of good things.

My values come from myself. Religion isn't necessary. But it benefits many.
 
Kellisness said:
No, you need a rethink. And you're on a crusade.
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again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

post any evidence or proof you might have of your claim

atheism is on the rise not because of a crusade because the younger generation is reading the bible and realising how much bullshit is actually in it. has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with a crusade.. do you see atheist outside with bullhorns all over the place spewing bullcrap?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMamgtY6Po4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6V9hiAJsbM
uh oh wait for it..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orKJyfeN1EU
religious got KO'd
 
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Sirfreak can you justify your subscription to "athiesm"? Are you really any different from religious nutjobs? Athiesm is the belief that god does not exist. Religious people hold the belief that god does exist. Neither can be proven and both require faith. Who cares, agnostic athiesm makes more sense.

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"Athiesm on the rise" is a stupid comment, surely once you re-read it, you will understand why.

Comparing athiesm to religion (I dont know how bible equates with religion but okay) is meaningless.
 
Jan Ardena said:
What is Bushido?

jan.
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Don't have google? It's the code of the Samurai. The way of the warrior.

But it's a joke. I decide my own values, which roughly coincide with liberal/ democratic values. Much of it comes from literature.
 
sifreak21 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMamgtY6Po4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6V9hiAJsbM
uh oh wait for it..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orKJyfeN1EU
religious got KO'd
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I'm glad we don't have too many of those where I'm at. The last time I came across one in close proximity was a few years back when a bunch of friends and I went out to celebrate my ex's birthday. There was 3 people standing on the corner of an intersection in what we call "the strip" - an area known for it's bars. Originally, my intentions were simple to ignore them and walk past. Then, the female of the group called me a sinner and a fag (I was holding hands with my ex). So, I took that as a challenge.

After about 10 minutes, I literally left two of them crying in confusion after I had thrown out in the open all of their bibles contraditions (at least the ones I could remember at the time) and asked for an explination. I touched on everything from the two contraditing creation stories, to the historical meanings of the verses in Romans that prohibited man lying with man (and how they were more likely meant not to ban homosexuality but to enfore procreation due to the population crisis at the time in the region), to the ignorance of believing in a walking, talking serpent, and to the immorality and intolerance of their God, according to the Bible. There was much more that I brought up. And with all my questions and all my demands for an explination, the one answer that they repeated was, "Who are we to try to understand God's ways?"

And of course I then called out their hypocrisy of how they were on the corner preaching the "will of God" and then later admitted that they don't understand God. That one stopped them in their tracks. The girl started crying, I imagine due to the struggles of trying to believe her own faith in the midst of logical reasoning. And soon the shorter of the two males began crying because. I asked why he cried and he stated "because I don't have all the answers and you're accusing me that I do. It's not right". I merely replied that "Your the one that said you had all the answers and that they were in that book" (pointing as the bible in his hand).

I do wish there were more Jesus freaks here. I don't enjoy making any of them cry because I don't wish suffering even on my worst enemy. But I will call them out if they are being hypocritical.

The only other time I've had an experience similar to that was about 5 years ago when I encountered about a hundred of them rallying in front of an abortion clinic (which was right next to my bank). I attempted to have a civil conversation with them but as soon as I brought up a legitimate point, I was quickly dulled out by abnoxiously loud and off-key singing of hymns. They refused to talk, of course.
 
420Joey said:
Sirfreak can you justify your subscription to "athiesm"? Are you really any different from religious nutjobs? Athiesm is the belief that god does not exist. Religious people hold the belief that god does exist. Neither can be proven and both require faith. Who cares, agnostic athiesm makes more sense.

atheismmakessense.jpg


"Athiesm on the rise" is a stupid comment, surely once you re-read it, you will understand why.

Comparing athiesm to religion (I dont know how bible equates with religion but okay) is meaningless.
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We can play that game too.

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I am not a christian and that is pretty funny. I don't believe in organized religion just that there is a god. But than again, If you would have read my post you would have known that.
 
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