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Orleander said:
all the time??? Did you ask why?
Yeah, but I got a generic answer.
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Angrybellsprout said:
By strong women do you mean the sexist idiots that do things such as get laws such as the vawa passed, the same ones that discriminate against men in the workplace, the same ones that refuse to accept the equal right to be punched in the face, the same ones that strongly believe in the concept that marriage is simply a means of taking wealth away from some poor sucker and the same ones that refuse to accept the equal right to paying the bills?
What's hilarious about your misogyny is that you consider being punched in the face a "right", or the obligation to pay for consumption a "right".
I mean, compared to the misogyny of old, sure, there is a "right" to pay bills inasmuch as women are allowed to undertake obligations of their own. In the meantime, though, you tend to be hollering about phantoms of your own creation. Perhaps if your argument focused on objective, statistical considerations instead of emotionally-driven, morbid hilarity like the "right" to be assaulted, you might find people taking you a little more seriously.
In the meantime, let's start with a simple one. How many
men are raped
by women in the United States each year?
Oh, oh. Here's an even simpler one: How many
pregnant men are beaten by their
female spouses or partners?
Now, one other thing that might help would be to stop focusing your anger on
women and start thinking about this issue in terms of
human beings. After all, as the saying goes, when women act like human beings, they are accused of trying to be like men.
I'll even throw you a bone:
Why Does Domestic Abuse Against Men Go Unrecognized?
Domestic violence against men goes unrecognized for the following reasons:
• The incidence of domestic violence against men appears to be so low that it is hard to get reliable estimates.
• It has taken years of advocacy and support to encourage women to report domestic violence. Virtually nothing has been done to encourage men to report abuse.
• The idea that men could be victims of domestic abuse and violence is so unthinkable to most people that many men will not even attempt to report the situation.
• The counseling and psychological community have responded to domestic abuse and violence against women. Not enough has been done to stop abuse against women. There has been very little investment in resources to address the issues of domestic abuse and violence against men.
• In most cases, the actual physical damage inflicted by men is so much greater than the actual physical harm inflected by women. The impact of domestic violence is less apparent and less likely to come to the attention of others.
• Even when men do report domestic abuse and violence, most people are so astonished, men usually end up feeling like nobody would believe them. It is widely assumed than a man with a bruise or black eye was in a fight with another man or was injured on the job or while playing contact sports. Women generally don't do those things.
(
OregonCounseling.org)
Now, just stop and think about all the history that goes into the social conditions that compel men to
not report domestic violence. Just
think about it for a minute. Because
that isn't "women's fault". It's all of our faults. So instead of getting pissed off about the Violence Against Women Act, which responded to specific problems in society, start asking about why
men, and also
society in general have not taken certain steps. It's not because NOW or any other group of women are holding back such efforts. So stop blaming
them for
our inadequacy. Stop blaming our mothers for our fathers' doing (or lack thereof). You seem so determined to denigrate women who don't meet or conform to some abstract idyll of your own that people
might just get the idea that you're a misogynist.
Oh, right. Too late.
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Notes:
Oregon Counseling. "About Domestic Violence Against Men". Revised May 20, 2007. http://www.oregoncounseling.org/Handouts/DomesticViolenceMen.htm
Did you ask why?
