I can't chose to have faith, I would be lying to myself. Is that what makes you so grumpy?
Are all discussions of God speculative nonsense?
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I can't chose to have faith, I would be lying to myself. Is that what makes you so grumpy?
i think you misheard it..he was trying to tell you that you were alright..
That's just nature, not super-nature.
Arfa, here's an entire thread on the self-contradiction of God:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=107858
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=107858
The God of the Bible is easily disproved since Genesis has been shown to be outright incorrect. Life-forms and plant-forms were not made as immutable, as is, unchanged and unchanging, nor does the cosmology match to what is known, nor has anything supernatural been shown to be happening above and beyond the natural everywhere and really not even anywhere at all at any time.
However, believers can just say that another, real God, was the One who actually caused everything, but at least the common God of belief is out the door. I am not claiming this as any big deal, but for a large elimination, for it is that all of the God notions need to be dismissed and ruled out at the very source, cutting out all the descriptions completely.
Meanwhile, believers might wish to show their own proofs of God as we go along, as a counter, if they have any, and I don’t mean “just saying”, but honest information. If not, then their score will remain at zero, while mine will continue to go up, ever widening the gap. This is still a discussion forum, so don’t hesitate, believers, to continue pitch your stuff.
I am only human, but at least I will use reason and information rather than any old believer kind of invisible-type mumble-jumble of magic that is often desperately employed for every twist and turn of the known that gets discovered—which non-substantiated “just sayings” will be disallowed on the basis of no evidence presented, and that’s all that can be asked for here.
Personal testaments from feelings, sensation, and voices are subjective and cannot be shown to all and so they have no realizable value objectively to prove anything.
I will even lead to the non-God basis of all, which is a surely total necessity for this analysis. And of course it will be based on knowns, for stating the unknown as ‘known’ can never fly.
We could have some fun along the way, too.
Even my descriptions of the common God so far seems to have some kind of hilarity by the probably sincere simplicity of the God notions as being so final and complete without doubt, but I have tried to be fair in the identification of the common attributes of God. I’m trying for completeness since an incomplete notion is invariably a wrong notion just by the aspect of its incompleteness. All must be explained to satisfaction in an objective way beyond any reasonable doubt.
Again, though, we are not so much concerned with the default/archetypes that lead to the ingrained belief in God for some, but are even granting that that some people beyond that grooved-in detour still logically think that there must be a God, as only a sure and final dismissal will do it for them. I do realize that others will still believe no matter what. We are speaking to the fence-sitters.
I also call upon what many non-believers have posted against God notions as already being in the bank and so I hope the believers don’t just repeat their same old stuff that has already been refuted umpteen times.
Fair enough?
Got rid of one God already, but, as said, more will just pop up.
Again, see here:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=107858
However, believers can just say that another, real God, was the One who actually caused everything, but at least the common God of belief is out the door. I am not claiming this as any big deal, but for a large elimination, for it is that all of the God notions need to be dismissed and ruled out at the very source, cutting out all the descriptions completely.
Meanwhile, believers might wish to show their own proofs of God as we go along, as a counter, if they have any, and I don’t mean “just saying”, but honest information. If not, then their score will remain at zero, while mine will continue to go up, ever widening the gap. This is still a discussion forum, so don’t hesitate, believers, to continue pitch your stuff.
I am only human, but at least I will use reason and information rather than any old believer kind of invisible-type mumble-jumble of magic that is often desperately employed for every twist and turn of the known that gets discovered—which non-substantiated “just sayings” will be disallowed on the basis of no evidence presented, and that’s all that can be asked for here.
Personal testaments from feelings, sensation, and voices are subjective and cannot be shown to all and so they have no realizable value objectively to prove anything.
I will even lead to the non-God basis of all, which is a surely total necessity for this analysis. And of course it will be based on knowns, for stating the unknown as ‘known’ can never fly.
We could have some fun along the way, too.
Even my descriptions of the common God so far seems to have some kind of hilarity by the probably sincere simplicity of the God notions as being so final and complete without doubt, but I have tried to be fair in the identification of the common attributes of God. I’m trying for completeness since an incomplete notion is invariably a wrong notion just by the aspect of its incompleteness. All must be explained to satisfaction in an objective way beyond any reasonable doubt.
Again, though, we are not so much concerned with the default/archetypes that lead to the ingrained belief in God for some, but are even granting that that some people beyond that grooved-in detour still logically think that there must be a God, as only a sure and final dismissal will do it for them. I do realize that others will still believe no matter what. We are speaking to the fence-sitters.
I also call upon what many non-believers have posted against God notions as already being in the bank and so I hope the believers don’t just repeat their same old stuff that has already been refuted umpteen times.
Fair enough?
Got rid of one God already, but, as said, more will just pop up.
Again, see here:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=107858
The link to the other thread has no real "proof" or even any coherent arguments from you.SciWriter said:
You are a dishonest person. Here is some more evidence of your dishonesty:
But:SciWriter said:
SciWriter said:
If you can't see the conflict between those two statements, perhaps there is no hope for you.
Further, I know there is no way you can demonstrate to me, via an internet forum, that my personal belief is wrong. That would need me to stop believing I can hear, or breathe, or see.
Your personal crusade against "believers" is frankly asinine, it really is only a demonstration of your egoism. Who do you think is paying attention?
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That's some really bad faith you have there.
i have faith in God, not ppl.
It's telling that you posit this dichotomy.
The point of discussing about God might not be about figuring what God thinks, but instead to clarify our own thinking in these matters.
In that sense, discussions "about God" are useful, even if they are marked with speculation.
You wouldn't know (about) God were it not for people - people who translated, printed and propagated the Bible, the theistic discourse etc.
true enough..but my statement comes from trying to convince others of a more beneficial course of action because of my own experiences, and them refusing to utilize my experiences to make the better choices. (told you so!)
kx000
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You made the decision at some point to not have faith.
kx000
Valued Senior Member
No.
even i know that answer is not enough..explain.
kx000
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I dont need to explain myself. I don't care to change anyone's belief.
no, you don't 'need' to explain yourself..but then there would not be any need for a discussion board..
you seem to be a believer, but some of the statements you make make me wonder if you are or not..
kx000
Valued Senior Member
Why? Because I have different beliefs than you? What do you want to know?