to Q:
Again, I am all righ with watever you say Q.
Great. But, you're all "wrong" in your OP.
An approach to spirituality without God
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Great. But, you're all "wrong" in your OP.
To Bishandi;
I really like your post, again, I need more time to assimilate the concepts. I believe we are all born with 2 basic instincts: fear and selfcenteredness.They are ment to protect us, fear would let us stay away from danger and selfcenteredness would let us survive, we are born so frail that we must have an instinct that let us being focused on our needs only.That way we can demand food, company,diapers changes, etc. Once we start growing up, those instincts must evolve too. the problem with fear is that it has several equivalents such as Anger, anxiety, pain and sadness, we will adopt any or several of them according to family or cultural traits.
We tend to fear what we do not understand, fear becomes an equivalent of ignorance. Fear should promote exploration and learnig. So when are angry or feel emotional pain/sadness/ anxiety (or simply fear) at something or someone we should ask ourselves what possible truth is this person or circumstance bringing to me that I need to explore. Khalil Gibran said "pain is the fracture of the shell that encloses our understanding"
I really like your post, again, I need more time to assimilate the concepts. I believe we are all born with 2 basic instincts: fear and selfcenteredness.They are ment to protect us, fear would let us stay away from danger and selfcenteredness would let us survive, we are born so frail that we must have an instinct that let us being focused on our needs only.That way we can demand food, company,diapers changes, etc. Once we start growing up, those instincts must evolve too. the problem with fear is that it has several equivalents such as Anger, anxiety, pain and sadness, we will adopt any or several of them according to family or cultural traits.
We tend to fear what we do not understand, fear becomes an equivalent of ignorance. Fear should promote exploration and learnig. So when are angry or feel emotional pain/sadness/ anxiety (or simply fear) at something or someone we should ask ourselves what possible truth is this person or circumstance bringing to me that I need to explore. Khalil Gibran said "pain is the fracture of the shell that encloses our understanding"
Hey Q.....
you trying to get me fired?
or are you trying to show us all, that there is plenty of judging available for EVERYONE?
That is also absurd, there are plenty of things we can do with our lives.
if it tastes sweet, then share the nectar
Fear is often based on 'self preservation'
ever notice the warrior fears nothing? Is he putting himself on the line for the 'good' of others?
The self (centeredness) is like a wave in the pond trying to isolate himself (like trying to jump out of the pond): becoming a 'loss to the common'.
Measure each choice (action) that can be imposed to existence by a human choice; see if 'good' (supports life to continue) or bad (loss to the common) can assist in identifying a selfish intent or compassion for others (god/existence/community/life).
Seems best to share; as each can measure for themselves.
exactly. Like a "suffering" in which a situation is observed and whether it is comprehended or not may enable solace to mind.
as it is what began the measuring of time (for planting at which time of year)
the sciences
most every religion
knowledge itself was created and is defined with the use of words symbols etc... to learn (hence; knowledge evolves over time, environment..etc)
that fear and self preservation is what allows many to over come obstacles (in contrast; the fearless with the scope of others, can often conquer the greatest of beasts)
(much of it is instinctive but reasoning of mind (knowledge) allows the vast expansion of possibilities)
kind of like "the opening to possibilities while appearing as a blemish to the exterior"
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No, I don't.
I don't think we, in general, should "ease our suffering" that way... However, I believe that it is a right for anyone to do so if they choose. Even if, in turn, it only brings them more suffering.
And don't get me wrong, I think we should indeed all work to make the world a "better place," if such a thing is possible, but our deeds, in the broader perspective, essentially do us no good. There is no merit to be earned.
And the phrase 'take the war home' is one of special significance to me. I'm not going to discuss it here.
But you can decide for yourself what it should or shouldn't mean.
to takethewarhome:
The war is a very sensitive issue to me. I have been raised in another culture where the thought of war has been eliminated several years ago, we only needed one month of war to get the concept. I do not understand why most people here are so casual about wars. Did you know that about 110,000 iraki people have died since 2004?
It hurts me that the news here do not talk about the real number of dead people in Irak or Pakistan to give american people a real picture of the harm that is being made.
Nobody have asked for the impeachment of George Bush when it was figured out that there were no weapons of mass destruction, after all. Meanwhile they are eager to impeach those politicians who have cheated on their wives???
Of course most americans go to Church every Sunday!!!! Hypocrisy is the number one enemy of society!
The war is a very sensitive issue to me. I have been raised in another culture where the thought of war has been eliminated several years ago, we only needed one month of war to get the concept. I do not understand why most people here are so casual about wars. Did you know that about 110,000 iraki people have died since 2004?
It hurts me that the news here do not talk about the real number of dead people in Irak or Pakistan to give american people a real picture of the harm that is being made.
Nobody have asked for the impeachment of George Bush when it was figured out that there were no weapons of mass destruction, after all. Meanwhile they are eager to impeach those politicians who have cheated on their wives???
Of course most americans go to Church every Sunday!!!! Hypocrisy is the number one enemy of society!
This is not true. Not even half of the americans go to church and some of the ones that claim to have faith don't attend.
To Bishandi
About selfcenteredness, i believe we are all born selfcentered for preservation purposes as I explained before. As we grow, we need to start paying atention to the needs of others so we start getting hints that will allow us to survive in society once our parents stop caring for us. Empathy has to be taught to us, especially our parents must point out for us the needs or feeling of other people. Been aware of other people's needs or feelings give us power. We can use that knowledge in a good or bad way according to our ethical values.
On the other hand, people who are centered on themselves are less likely to obtain this information about other people's feelings or needs and therefore have less chances to succeed regarding any kind of relationships personal, business or any other kind.
About selfcenteredness, i believe we are all born selfcentered for preservation purposes as I explained before. As we grow, we need to start paying atention to the needs of others so we start getting hints that will allow us to survive in society once our parents stop caring for us. Empathy has to be taught to us, especially our parents must point out for us the needs or feeling of other people. Been aware of other people's needs or feelings give us power. We can use that knowledge in a good or bad way according to our ethical values.
On the other hand, people who are centered on themselves are less likely to obtain this information about other people's feelings or needs and therefore have less chances to succeed regarding any kind of relationships personal, business or any other kind.
What country are you from? Many, many people, especially here were calling for the impeachment of George Bush.
I did a some googling the other day and the statistics indicate about 40% claim to go to church. It was mentioned some people claiming to attend church are lying. So the folks doing the study think the numbers are actually lower.
The war of which my namesake comes from does not involve countries or races or creeds and I think it's very presumptious of you to even mention that.
It is a personal war which I take home. It is a personal war which we all need to take home with us each day.
It is a personal war I will always fight until the day of my death, whether by my own hand or the hand of another or of ailment.
Where have you been the past seven years? MANY people have called for Bush to be impeached or thrown out of office; very few in the Congress, though.
No. They are eager, however, to impeach politicians who commit perjury. Lying under oath.
Which failed, anyway. But the point is, you have the reasons completely wrong.
Not true. Not even half of Americans regularly attend church services; it's probably closer to a third, if that. In any case, church attendance is shitty way to determine religiosity.
your first sentence is contradicted by your second one, right there
each are born helpless and all basics are learned
so the next generation is still a product of the previous and it is the individuals that overcome the collective cultural methods, ideas and practices of becoming 'self serving'
the west is horrid in this area (ie.. the 'invisible hand' as a rule of law within the land)
they are teaching us that when feeding us our first meal but 'we' take that lesson for granted; the requisite of 'this generation' to teach the next
the idea of 'power' is false all-together; we are all submissive to mother nature just as few can even survive without community, so the collective could feel secure as a whole but the individuals should never be focused on the power of the band as a force but on the collective knowledge enabling the equality, so that each can have the same power of all, equally.
no single entity should be of power, whether of a body of people or culture but the power should be the knowledge that equally combines all
this way, each can participate, each can be heard, each can comprehend, each can be equal.
think in the sense of a computer network; if all the terminals operate with the the same base programing, then when one is damaged the others can continue working and the damaged be corrected or removed without harming the collective
Genetics are like the wiring (instinctively following the rules of life (mass and energy))
Mind and the individual characters of people are learned.
I would like an example of someone being born (conscious) and having no compassion. ( i say, that species; don't exist)
Good and Bad is learned; self awareness and choice is mankinds born gift, that is equal to each of consciousness.
We are born 'good' and the bad is learned! (my opinion)
Exactly. We are and do what we choose. Reason easily overrides instinct.
no fogging of that view!