WOoohhhhh...I thought you were a Christian? Where is your respect? Your moral value? Cursing someone out who is an atheist and "does not have any standard for moral value"? Hypocrite.
Heh.
WOoohhhhh...I thought you were a Christian? Where is your respect? Your moral value? Cursing someone out who is an atheist and "does not have any standard for moral value"? Hypocrite.
ok..as far as the bible being factual..there are lots of facts in the bible..lots of characters that history has proven existed..lots of places that existed/exist
you cant say just cause one thing in the bible hasnt been proven,that all the bible is just a bunch of lies..(notice we have been pretty good about not getting into specifics about which part is true and which parts are not..)
So if someone, when they are young had a clear understanding of the Love of the Truth and then they came to reject it. I do not believe they would ever return to accepting it again. Scripture also says this.
I guess He does not want them to be saved, AFTER they have been given the knowledge of the Love of The Truth and they have rejected it. It must be the greatest insult to God one could commit.
Very expressive but falls somewhat short on informational content.Idiots.
Nope, doesn't work for me.Read all of the previous posts and you'll see why.
Wrong again.I gave you the most important information of your life minutes ago.
Idiots.
Wow what an eciting thread this is.... One thing I find that Christians say that really strickes me as odd and that is the Bibke is th word of GOD and is to be adhered to no matter what. Has anyone actually read the Bible and concluded that it is a book that should be banned at best it is full of Sex incest hate and loathing. It even has a nice part where everone is getting along really well and well "GOD" the big guy did not like that so he created the language barrier and in doning that crated all the hate in the world. Or is it just me that pick them tidbits out of the pages.
That's the problem, the specifics are at odds with what we have learned is reality.
No, one is the words of man, the other is supposed to be the word of god. No, your right.
But you can't prove something doesn't exist. So I could just as easily say, there is an elephant that flys I saw him.
What evidence keeps coming up that advances the creation story as valid ?
More reasonable because your not advocating the bible as proof of god and again the stories of value or not are not claimed as evidence of god.
But the evidence in the bible which clearly spells out how we became and how things are is clearly false. Where does that leave someone who will also question the teachings and not just follow them ?
Well just for accuracy sake, there are some good things mixed into the Bible with all the evil. So perhaps it should not be entirely thrown out. But it also should not be regarded as inerrant, perfect, and to be blindly followed either.
The Bible itself even contains instructions to "test all things" and hold on to what is good. Today's Christian generally ignores that teaching and takes both the good and evil in the Bible and calls it all good, by faith.
Oh yes I forgot about the tests and trials and tribulations that one must go through to be a true Christian. Where I come from they call that screwing with you but again that is just me..
Lets start with:
"Everyone is born with a birth defect that hinders communion with god and everyone suffers from everyones defect."
"Everyone is born with a birth defect that hinders communion with god and everyone suffers from everyones defect."
Lmao. If everyone were born with a defect then it'd no longer be considered a defect.
Oh, really?
How is it that people are always using that ignorant excuse?
Fuck that. Does that excuse make it easier for you?
Science is possible due to what, takethewarhome?
It's just there, isn't it? For no reason? Huh?
There's a beginning and an end to everything. Always a creator.
yea..it happened when adam and eve got kicked out of the garden....
hmmm.....so if everyone in the world is screwed up..that means none of us are??
LOL
And this puts God squarely in the business of lying to and personally deceiving people so they cannot be saved.
Originally Posted by Adstar
I guess He does not want them to be saved, AFTER they have been given the knowledge of the Love of The Truth and they have rejected it. It must be the greatest insult to God one could commit.
The whole idea here is that unless He deceived them they might turn and be saved. Which means they really can turn and genuinely repent. Which also means that your first point above and that other scripture you were referring to are both wrong.
Why is it an evil thing for such a person to repent and be saved? And why is the idea that God is lying and deceiving people a good thing?
The same problems in logic remain and this still makes no sense to me.
Thanks
These people HAVE ALREADY REJECTED THE NOTION OF BEING SAVED. THEY HAVE ASSESSED THE WILL OF GOD AND THE WAY GOD HAS MADE FOR THEM TO HAVE SALVATION AND THEY HAVE REJECTED IT AS EITHER FOOLISH OR EVIL OR A LIE.