Adstar,
“ Originally Posted by jpappl
Adstar,
And you and you alone know the truth, how vain. ”
See here you impute a lie upon me. Quote where i said that i alone am the only one who knows the truth.
If you cannot do that then you are a liar.
Ok, here
Because there is only one God and that is the God of Abraham, the God of the Bible.
Good enough.
“ Scripture from a book filled with errors is your justification. Brilliant. ”
It is an absolutely brilliant book with an astounding message.
and not evidence of a god at all
“ If you want to preach, then get yourself a stage, start a church, I am asking you to provide your justification. You apparently haven't considered it, just accepting the scripture as truth. That is faith and that is all it is. ”
You have already rejected the Message of God therefore you dismiss it as justification. Sorry mate no about of repetition of asking the same question makes the Word of God any less of a justification then it is. Reject my justification if you like as you have rejected the Word Of God but don't expect me to bow to your belief that it is not justification.
Your response had nothing to do with my statement. You responded by saying I am rejecting god, still haven't given me one shred of evidence to provide justification for god. Just that you believe just because it's in the bible.
No. There is evidence. You just hate it. Therefore you reject it as evidence. And that is what i expect. Because those who reject the Love of the truth are given over to deception.
I don't hate it. I just disagree that it proves there is a god. Why do you keep saying "those who reject the love of truth" this sounds like you know the only truth the only way, ironic since you have no evidence to back your way.
Do you believe in dinosaurs ? Do you believe the earth revolves around the sun ? ”
Sure. I believe there is a Dino described in the Bible. Yeah and we orbit the sun. No worries.
Show me where the bible talked about dinosaurs exsiting hundreds of millions of years before us. Well if you believe the earth revolves around the sun then you are contradiciting your bible. How do you reconcile the two ?
Is that an error Adstar or do you want to retract your claim there are no errors in the bible. If there are errors, how can it be the word of god and the only way ?
When someone admires the other and thinks whatever they say is right then they respect the other without effort.
Why would I ever think whatever they say is right. I question things and if I am not sure I would do some research. I learn to trust those that earn my trust. I respect people who treat me as they would want to be treated.
“ And in many instances if I feel I wasn't respectful, I have apologized. Have you ever done so here. ”
I say again i am not here to respect men. Truth is that i have a different definition of the word.
But even if i am "short" or if i act in a way that is not the way Jesus wants me to act that does not make one iota of difference to the truth of God. I am a mere man with all the limitations that implies. I thank God through the Messiah Jesus that i am forgiven my faults.
At lest i don't go around lying claiming i respect the other point of view when i don't.
So instead of you being a man and saying your sorry, you just have Jesus forgive everyone for you.
I do respect them, but since I am not religious, I don't go along with their thinking about god. I don't lie to them, if they ask me about my opinion, they will get my answer, like it or not.
But they are not so vain to think that I am bad person because I don't agree with them.
Well blow a trumpet and Glory Glory Glory to you. Oh what a incredible goody goody you are. Praise be to you boastful one.
Adstar, you accused me of only doing things for my personal gain. I gave you examples to realize you shouldn't judge me, which is all you seem to be able to do. Attack me because you have no good answers to my questions.
“ You are assuming that I don't leave open the possibility of god. I do. ”
No you don't, you have considered His message and decided that God does not exist. Because there is only one God and that is the God of Abraham, the God of the Bible.
I don't leave open the possibility for your god because it is derived from the bible which is full of errors. That doesn't mean there isn't a god, but again there is no evidence for one yet.
I don't see the belief in god as foolishness, you aren't not listening to my posts, just listening to respond. I am questioning the justification that people have for the belief.
It seems that when asked they don't really know, and when they do try to answer, they start reciting scripture. ”
Ha Ha Ha You mean they don't give you an answer YOU want.
That's the difference between you and me. You are looking for an answer to line up with your belief and so will always find it.
I am looking for the correct answer, which is what we do not know and may never know. Until we do, I am not going to act like I have the answer. Just keep asking questions and try to find the best questions to ask.
Right, so we are back to you believe in god because the bible says so. Why don't you ask Lori about that and see what she says. ”
If Lori says that the Message of God is not given through the bible then she would be wrong. I don't think she has stated that. what i have seen her write is that the Holy Spirit is needed for one to gain understanding of the Bible.
You will have to take that up with her.
“ I don't believe the bible is filled with the words of god. I have very good reasons and justification to believe that is the case.
Telling me it's in the bible is not good enough. ”
Yeah that’s right. You have already made up your mind on the issue.
That the bible is not filled with the word of god yes.
“ So to be clear, your saying that only your way is right and all other believers including those of god are wrong because they don't believe in your path. Correct. And you have the nerve to call me arrogant and vain. ”
Once again. Others believe as i do. Therefore i am not the only one. Therefore your putting words into my mouth when you claim that i said i was the only one who knew what way was right.
Also if i am lead by the Holy Spirit into understanding and everyone else in this world rejected the truth then i would be the only one but it would not be arrogant for me to claim it. Because it would be the doing of the Holy Spirit that would cause me to know. Not my own ability to know.
You have clearly stated that your path is the correct and only one. Yes, a billion people agree with you, but your claim of being with numbers doesn't provide any validity to it. Otherwise, if you want to use that as a yardstick, then the Quran is the true way and we should all be muslims.
So once again, without any evidence to justify your belief, you tell me that you know the way and that we should all just accept it as fact. Don't question, don't think, just believe.
Can't do that, sorry.
