Zionist piracy

[S.A.M.]

Well he's lucky he didn't get killed. When you attack armed men upon boarding and there is an armed guy in a helicopter he is going to shoot from the air. If he didn't want to take any risks then he shouldn't have been there:shrug:

Been where? In international waters on a ship delivering aid?

 

[Black Jack]

One problem with you analogy the US coast guard doesn't have the reputation of attacking unarmed people the Israeli military does.

The analogy is fine. I basically took the same scenario and changed out Israel for the United States, and Gaza with Cuba.

For the record, the Israeli military probably boards vessels on a daily basis. However, they do not kill the people they're boarding on a daily basis because that's not their objective... this is made apparent by the fact that their weapon of choice for boarding ships is a PAINT BALL GUN.

 

[S.A.M.]

Does the Israeli military board vessels in international waters on a daily basis? We already know they kill unarmed civilians on a daily basis.

Do paintball guns lead to head wounds? Is that why 9 people were killed when they boarded?

Have any of the 700 detainees verified the use of paintball guns? Because the guns I saw on al Jazeera before they were cut off were machine guns.

 

[Bells]

According to the news, the head injuries on one journalist show that he was shot from the top of the ship ie from helicopters. I think under such circumstances, its not proactive to defend themselves when the commandos rappel down.

Why were they shooting at journalists from the helicopters?

I have asked that question and still await to be answered. Just as I am curious as to why one journalist was shot in the back of the head..

Maybe we should consider why these flotillas are trying to break the blockade..

As the occupying power, Israel has a duty under international law to ensure the welfare of Gaza’s inhabitants, including their rights to health, education, food and adequate housing

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In Gaza, Israeli attacks damaged or destroyed civilian buildings and infrastructure, including hospitals and schools, the water and electricity systems. Thousands of Palestinian homes were destroyed or severely damaged.

An estimated 280 of the 641 schools in Gaza were damaged and 18 were destroyed. More than half of Gaza’s population is under the age of 18 and the disruption to their education, due to the damage caused during Operation “Cast Lead” and as a result of the continuing Israeli boycott, is having a devastating impact.

Hospitals have also been badly affected by the military offensive and the blockade. Trucks of medical aid provided by the World Health Organization have been repeatedly refused entry to Gaza without explanation by Israeli officials.

Patients with serious medical conditions that cannot be treated in Gaza continue to be prevented or delayed from leaving Gaza by the Israeli authorities – since the closure of crossings leading into and out of Gaza, patients have been made to apply for permits, but these permits are frequently denied. On 1 November 2009, Samir al-Nadim, a father of three children, died after his exit from Gaza for a heart operation was delayed by 22 days.

Amnesty International spoke to a number of families whose homes were destroyed in the Israeli military operation and one year on are still living in temporary accommodation.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israel039s-gaza-blockade-continues-suffocate-daily-life-20100118

There is a link to the whole report at the bottom of the article.

 

[pjdude1219]

The analogy is fine. I basically took the same scenario and changed out Israel for the United States, and Gaza with Cuba.

For the record, the Israeli military probably boards vessels on a daily basis. However, they do not kill the people they're boarding on a daily basis because that's not their objective... this is made apparent by the fact that their weapon of choice for boarding ships is a PAINT BALL GUN.

and as I asked you before if it is a paint ball gun than why does it have a clip underneath it and not a hopper on top. and no your analogy isn't fine because it ignores the fact that the ISraeli troops have a history of harming and killing nonviolent protestors.

 

[pjdude1219]

Does the Israeli military board vessels in international waters on a daily basis? We already know they kill unarmed civilians on a daily basis.

Do paintball guns lead to head wounds? Is that why 9 people were killed when they boarded?

Have any of the 700 detainees verified the use of paintball guns? Because the guns I saw on al Jazeera before they were cut off were machine guns.

actualy they were probably assualt rifles or SMG's rather than LMG's

 

[S.A.M.]

actualy they were probably assualt rifles or SMG's rather than LMG's

They also shot out the eye [with a tear gas canister] of an American student who protested the raid on the flotilla.

According to a report from the International Solidarity Movement, Emily was “hit in the face with a tear gas projectile fired directly at her by an Israeli soldier during the demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint today.” Sören Johanssen, a Swedish activist standing beside Henochowicz, reported that, “They fired many canisters at us in rapid succession. One landed on either side of Emily, then the third one hit her in the face.”

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/blinding-the-witnesses.html

 

[Bells]

Well he's lucky he didn't get killed. When you attack armed men upon boarding and there is an armed guy in a helicopter he is going to shoot from the air. If he didn't want to take any risks then he shouldn't have been there:shrug:

He actually was killed. So was another journalist who was shot in the back of the head.

So, can someone explain that to me? I guess it's one way to make sure there's no one there to get the story out.

 

[pjdude1219]

They also shot out the eye [with a tear gas canister] of an American student who protested the raid on the flotilla.

i know if you'll note I mentioned this incident and the Israel apoligists ignored it

 

[Black Jack]

saw that video before multiple times before.

Then you must seriously be blind.

all excuses and unproven allegations

What a cop-out, B.S. response... way to dismiss a clearly thought-out, and comically annotated piece.

and if its a paint ball gun why is their a clip on the bottom and not a hopper on top?

First of all, it's a magazine. Not a clip.

Second of all, if you have eyes in your skull, then you tell me what this is:

Another thing which should also be noted, that while that isn't the same paint ball gun I'm about to show you, their military, and indeed others around the world do use paint ball guns that look like rifles.

 

[S.A.M.]

Mondoweiss has another picture of Emily at the scene:

Consequent to all the lies, the MV Rachel Corrie has been turned around and will be fitted with video and satellite feed before embarking to Gaza [tweets at http://twitter.com/GazaUnderSiege]

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Been where? In international waters on a ship delivering aid?

Does it really matter in the end? I mean would you have been happy if they had waited and boarded the ship within their boarders? As far as the aid is concerned I have yet to see even ONE picture of aid supplies which usually comes in the form of clean water, medicine, food supplies and clothes. All I have seen so far is a wheel chair, some sling shots and stuffed animals.

You forget that the question here isn't aid at all but the intentions of the protesters and its obvious that they placed their whole group at risk the moment they engaged violently with armed Israeli soldiers. They were stupid or they were deliberately aiming for violent confrontation. Its hard to look at their intentions as 'peaceful' at this point. The only thing the Israeli's did wrong technically at this point from the information we have is not waiting for the vessels to enter their waters. The knowingly entered a dangerous situation and its obvious now that the soldiers were provoked. So if there were peaceful activists present they were undermined by the provocateurs among their group.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

He actually was killed. So was another journalist who was shot in the back of the head.

So, can someone explain that to me? I guess it's one way to make sure there's no one there to get the story out.

Shot in the back of the head? Give me a break, the shot came from the helicopter that was reacting to their soldiers being attacked on the ground. He's a journalist, if he wants to report danger while being in the danger zone then he has to suck it up. Its a part of the job. Do you react all gooey when they go to war zones and get shot?

 

[Bells]

Another thing which should also be noted, that while that isn't the same paint ball gun I'm about to show you, their military, and indeed others around the world do use paint ball guns that look like rifles.

So tell me. Why are there no images of the passengers on that boat with paint stains on them? What we have is 9 dead and countless injured. And yet, in all the videos released by the IDF and claims they used paintball guns when they first got on those boats, there is not a single image of the passengers with paint ball marks on them. Just 9 dead and countless injured. Can you explain to me, how it is possible that you're shooting paintballs at people for crowd control, they don't end up with any paint on them? Have you ever been to paintball? I have. And I have shot people with paintballs and they ended up having splotches of paint on them as a result.

So why are there no images or videos from the IDF with people with paint on them?

 

[Bells]

Shot in the back of the head? Give me a break, the shot came from the helicopter that was reacting to their soldiers being attacked on the ground. He's a journalist, if he wants to report danger while being in the danger zone then he has to suck it up. Its a part of the job. Do you react all gooey when they go to war zones and get shot?

Haven't you been reading the links on the last couple of pages?

One journalist was shot from above. Another journalist was shot in the back of the head and killed.

So what break did you want me to give you exactly?

 

[S.A.M.]

Does it really matter in the end? I mean would you have been happy if they had waited and boarded the ship within their boarders? As far as the aid is concerned I have yet to see even ONE picture of aid supplies which usually comes in the form of clean water, medicine, food supplies and clothes. All I have seen so far is a wheel chair, some sling shots and stuffed animals.

All the aid is with the Israelis, they probably intend to steal and auction it. Why would they release photos?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Haven't you been reading the links on the last couple of pages?

One journalist was shot from above. Another journalist was shot in the back of the head and killed.

So what break did you want me to give you exactly?

YES Bells! Yes! It was from ABOVE! They were covering the men that were boarding the vessel Bells. When you cover your men and the men are being attacked you fire. If there is anyone in the way then best of british luck to them. Journalists are there to do a job, if they are too close to danger they can also get shot. Its a consequence of being in the hot zone, I mean you know someone has to document the species

 

[Black Jack]

So tell me. Why are there no images of the passengers on that boat with paint stains on them? What we have is 9 dead and countless injured. And yet, in all the videos released by the IDF and claims they used paintball guns when they first got on those boats, there is not a single image of the passengers with paint ball marks on them. Just 9 dead and countless injured. Can you explain to me, how it is possible that you're shooting paintballs at people for crowd control, they don't end up with any paint on them? Have you ever been to paintball? I have. And I have shot people with paintballs and they ended up having splotches of paint on them as a result.

So why are there no images or videos from the IDF with people with paint on them?

Are you suggesting that multiple news media sources including reputable ones like the Associated Press, and Reuters are lying? It must be a conspiracy!

Did you see how quickly they were attacked? How long do you think they relied on their paint ball guns when they're being attacked by people armed with metal poles, knives, and other improvised weapons?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

All the aid is with the Israelis, they probably intend to steal and auction it. Why would they release photos?

Because there is to be an investigation, an investigation would entail showing the cargo. By the way who supplied any of the photos? You don't know what they are going to do with the aid. They might just hand it over to Egypt since Egypt supplies more aid into Gaza than any other country.

 

[Bells]

YES Bells! Yes! It was from ABOVE! They were covering the men that were boarding the vessel Bells. When you cover your men and the men are being attacked you fire. If there is anyone in the way then best of british luck to them. Journalists are there to do a job, if they are too close to danger they can also get shot. Its a consequence of being in the hot zone, I mean you know someone has to document the species

Does the word "another" or its meaning escape you? As in one was shot from above and another journalist was shot from behind.

My point is that they were claiming it was in self defense. Now, these journalists were filming and reporting on the events as they occured. How did they pose a threat to the IDF? Do you consider reporting to be an attack?

Did you see how quickly they were attacked? How long do you think they relied on their paint ball guns when they're being attacked by people armed with metal poles, knives, and other improvised weapons?

Don't you find it strange that the images shown by the IDF only start when they actually board the ship? That independent reporters on the other ships have all stated quite clearly that the IDF fired tear gas, stun grenades and other items onto the decks of the lead ship before they attempted to board it. And that when they were unsuccessful in trying to board the ship by boat, that was when the helicopters flew in? I guess you missed that?

But apparently, defending yourself in international waters when being attacked by armed men is now a bad thing.

Are you suggesting that multiple news media sources including reputable ones like the Associated Press, and Reuters are lying? It must be a conspiracy!

The only images and information we had up to that point was what was provided by the IDF. But as information from the journalists and independent observers starts to get out, it is casting a shadow on a lot of what the IDF had been claiming. So tell me, where are the images of people with paint stains on them? If the IDF came in firing paintball guns, there would be plenty of subsequent images of people running around with paint stains on them. And yet, there isn't a single one.

What we do have is Israel stating that they came in firing paintball guns and released images of soldiers holding what look like paintball guns in very fuzzy images that are not distinct or defined... and yet, there is not a single image of people on that boat with paint stains on them. Don't you find that strange? What we do have is at least 9 people dead (there are reports that some bodies were dumped overboard by the IDF) and countless injured with real bullet wounds. So again, where are the images of people running around with paintball stains on that main ship? The other ships reported being boarded by people carrying what appeared to be paintball guns and tasers and others also reported that people had real firearms aimed at their heads and threatened with death if they did not provide their passports (I'm guessing the IDF need new passports to commit more murders, but that's another subject). Yet on that mainship, the IDF reports that they fired paintball guns first.. And there is not a single image of people with paint stains on them. We have people shot dead and people injured with real live bullets... But no paint stains.. Why is that?