Zionist piracy
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Mrs.Lucysnow
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Mrs.Lucysnow
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Yes but they are going about smarter, and with in the short term at least non-lethal action, well sort of, at least this time they restricted them selves to knifes and clubs.
It is kind of amusing the contrast between the outrage on SF about EDMD (which is taken as a howling premeditated insult) while the attempted lynching of the rappelling Israeli troops not a premeditated attack despite the iron bars, knives, hate-crowd antics and possible extremist connections. (Apologies to Straw, who I know is arguing his moral position.)
Now everyone back off. I have a cartoon and I'm not afraid to use it. (I understand Bells uses them all the time.)
Now everyone back off. I have a cartoon and I'm not afraid to use it. (I understand Bells uses them all the time.)
Although I don't agree with much of what Geoff is stating I do think that slingshots are a weapon in the hands of Gaza youth now only throwing rocks.
Certainly with a little time to practice and not too great a distance you can hit a soldier in the face with fast moving marble. Thus, if Israel had inspected for weapons as a civilized nations do (In the daylight with lightly armed inspectors after getting permission to board*) and found boxes of marbles and slingshot I think they would be justified in ceasing them.
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* Again for what must by the 5th time, if permission is refused than more force can be used.
Certainly with a little time to practice and not too great a distance you can hit a soldier in the face with fast moving marble. Thus, if Israel had inspected for weapons as a civilized nations do (In the daylight with lightly armed inspectors after getting permission to board*) and found boxes of marbles and slingshot I think they would be justified in ceasing them.
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* Again for what must by the 5th time, if permission is refused than more force can be used.
The flotilla planed to come in at night and I don't they where going to give permission for a contraband search.
It is kind of amusing the contrast between the outrage on SF about EDMD (which is taken as a howling premeditated insult) while the attempted lynching of the rappelling Israeli troops not a premeditated attack despite the iron bars, knives, hate-crowd antics and possible extremist connections. (Apologies to Straw, who I know is arguing his moral position.)
Now everyone back off. I have a cartoon and I'm not afraid to use it. (I understand Bells uses them all the time.)
the problem is your blatant hypocrisy and dishonesty claiming premeditiation on by the protester when they grabbed anything at hand to defend themselves but not claiming premeditation when the Israelis went in geared to kill not subdue.Those of us familiar with you though aren't surprised.
Bells
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It should have been plainly obvious to you by now that I am no longer responding to you. So why do you keep referring to me in your posts and responding to me? Obsess much?Now everyone back off. I have a cartoon and I'm not afraid to use it. (I understand Bells uses them all the time.)
In short Geoff, I find you to be dishonest and quite nauseating. Since I find you so distasteful, I will only deal with you if I absolutely have to when it pertains to forum business.
I am glad you understand now.
And now, executing journalists by shooting them in the back of the head and claiming it's self defense!Mr.Spock said:
And I mean this journalists must have posed a great danger.. What with possible camera and phone, etc.. And the doctor treating the wounded..
How's that clapping and singing going Spock? I can really see how that is more important than shooting journalists and even a doctor who was trying to help the injured.
actually the flotilla changed course specifically to ensure if contact was made it be at during the day. yet another dropped ball by an Israel supporter.
Oh yeah that totally explains why it happened at night. :bugeye:
Defend them selves from an inspection? Paintball guns are geared to kill?, I would have expected uzis!
Bells
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They timed the attack on the flotilla to occur during the first morning prayers, which is usually just before dawn, from what I understand.. in that it was still dark outside, but they had been harassing the flotilla for hours prior to that.
Excuse the bad puns in these next articles... New Yorkers love their witty titles.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/truth_behind_the_harm_ada_CgqfVG9KrAUT4mQeO335fO
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/love_boat_8h26QiXTwy7kl8mtiOMpwJ
So apparently the activists on board attacked the Israeli soldiers with stun grenades as well as piping and chairs. What would a bunch of peace activists be doing with stun grenades? Hmm... interesting...
Not to mention that apparently 100 or so members on board the vessels were part of some sort of Muslim Brotherhood (okay that's not so bad, right?) and 20 or so of whom allegedly recorded "Martyr" videos before embarking (okay so that's not so cool)
So they disembark, knowing that Israel will engage them if they disregard their warnings and attempt to make port in Gaza... right. Smells fishy, and it's not just because they were out at sea.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/truth_behind_the_harm_ada_CgqfVG9KrAUT4mQeO335fO
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/love_boat_8h26QiXTwy7kl8mtiOMpwJ
So apparently the activists on board attacked the Israeli soldiers with stun grenades as well as piping and chairs. What would a bunch of peace activists be doing with stun grenades? Hmm... interesting...
Not to mention that apparently 100 or so members on board the vessels were part of some sort of Muslim Brotherhood (okay that's not so bad, right?) and 20 or so of whom allegedly recorded "Martyr" videos before embarking (okay so that's not so cool)
So they disembark, knowing that Israel will engage them if they disregard their warnings and attempt to make port in Gaza... right. Smells fishy, and it's not just because they were out at sea.
huuuummmmm peace loving stab in the back?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co
"oh here come the soldiers lets put flowers in the guns"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64vsq8eHps0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co
"oh here come the soldiers lets put flowers in the guns"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64vsq8eHps0
Buffalo Roam
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The optimum time for any contact would be just before dawn, that is when the human body and its Circadian cycle is at it's lowest level of reaction, unless planned for in advance.
That is why military units in combat have "stand too" before sun rise, to be ready for a dawn attack.
That is why military units in combat have "stand too" before sun rise, to be ready for a dawn attack.
Damn, and the Israeli Soldiers only had paint-ball guns... you can see them around 55-60 seconds into the film. They really went onto that boat armed to the teeth, ready to kill! Even after they were attacked they had those paint-ball guns out... it's only until after the mob threw one of them overboard and after they got situated that they pulled out their pistols to hold back the mob.
Seriously... it's retarded that anybody finds fault with Israel here.
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Another video to add, from a different angle... they even threw firebombs at the soldiers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl112N-9ayM&NR=1
Oh, and Spock, those pictures of the slingshots that these guys said you lied about are in there too... except in video form, directly from the ship after the attack. IMAGINE THAT!
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Buffalo Roam
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Gaza Bazaars and Markets
Giving The Lie to ‘Humanitarian Crisis’ Gaza
December 29th, 2009 | Author: Un:dhimmi
Saturday, November 28, 2009
In Gaza, eating under siege
MAGGIE SMITH, THE ATLANTIC, AUG 19, 2009
No. The problem, vis-a-vis you and I, is that you cannot seem to discuss anything at all on the forum on the basis of its own merits, and without wandering off into ad homeinem. The proof is in the pudding.
All that aside, it does not excuse those merits. The argument cannot be dismissed simply because you hate me, Israelis, Jews, or anyone else.
Regrettably, that does not appear to be the case, as several posts have now indicated. None of your claims as above serve to refute those concepts.
You would need proof of the above on a relative scale.
Bells - you misunderstand.
First: whether you respond to me or not is entirely unimportant (although this would be a novel development from my perspective, whatever internal decisions you may have taken). This thread is a discussion of the facts of the case. As such, I will address those that I think need addressing, whether such points are made by you or anyone else. I regret that this bothers you, but this is of the public record. And I suspect that your sudden reluctance stems not from my poor character, but from your poor mastery of the facts in the face of overwhelming emotion.
(Of course, if I were to be pert, I would point out that you are, in fact, still addressing me. But I leave it to you, as you will. You could always try extortion, I guess, if I've been foolish enough to leave you with any pertinent details.)
Second: much of your argument against me has been character assassination. Ergo, I feel obligated to blunt and rebuff those prejudices back on you. I will use my best judgement as to when that point has been reached. There is such a thing as fairness.
As you will: I hold a remarkably similar opinion of you; but I will continue to express my ideas to the best of my ability.
Although I clearly understand your stated position, I have given no consent.
Horrifying and loathesome. I do note that the article is not a fairly written one in some details - "weapons broken from the fittings", indeed, as though every man was armed with a section of pipe he had somehow broken free from the ship - and on the details of the rappel and subsequent mobbing.
Again: you fail to understand the idea of working up a mob, or the significance of this incredibly anti-Semitic song, which you absurdly and offensively dismiss as "clapping and singing", as if it were a Boy Scout meeting. How does one persist in such hypocrisy?
It is now abundantly clear that the confrontation was desired by those on the ships. That PJ and Bells blatantly ignore the al Jazeera article - or worse, express their solidarity - only underscores the moral hypocrisy of those giving complete absolution to the protesters on that vessel. Among the more ludicrous claims - as if links to religious extremists and racists were insufficient - are the constant support for the mobbed attack on the rappellers, and the completely specious pretension that the dearth of evidence to the contrary represents a conspiracy.
How sad.
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