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Can anybody explain to me why anybody would want to have a paintball gun on ship boarding mission?

I think it's less of a question of why they would want one and more of a question of why they believed that it was sufficient.

The reason was probably because they were going on board a ship that primarily was inhabited by civilians, and they weren't intent on killing them, but they were prepared to use non-lethal force if people resisted (like riot police would) and should SHTF, they had pistols for side-arms.
 
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Are you blind? It prohibits fabric but not clothes. There isn't anything on the list of prohibited items that isn't made up for in the permitted list. Your suggestion that the list is oppressive isn't holding up very well.

Are you a stupid bitch? As I pointed out, the blockade denies the basics of life that would allow the Gazan people to be self-sufficient (eg. fabric for clothing) while allowing through items that ensure the Gazan's are forced to depend on imports, and are therefore held hostage to the blockade.

Hint: Read my fucking posts *before* responding, dickhead.
 
Are you a stupid bitch? As I pointed out, the blockade denies the basics of life that would allow the Gazan people to be self-sufficient (eg. fabric for clothing) while allowing through items that ensure the Gazan's are forced to depend on imports, and are therefore held hostage to the blockade.

Hint: Read my fucking posts *before* responding, dickhead.

Do you get reported much?

You should go back, get your glasses, and look at the list again. They are allowed medicine, they are allowed clothes, they are allowed food, they are allowed ESSENTIALS. Its an embargo for christs sake!!! By the way I am shocked they even allowed fertilizer since that can be used to make bombs. If you want to make a point about there not being any fabric for clothes then don't be such a ninny as to have a list where clothing is permitted. But go on you are dumbing yourself down with great alacrity
 
Do you get reported much?

Yes. Unlike you, I don't have a privileged status on the forum. While you have a prolonged history of verbally abusing those who have the audacity to disagree with you while remaining untouched, I'm targeted at every opportunity. For fucks sake, I recently received an infraction for simply pointing out that Visceral Instinct had female privilege, which allowed her to make abusive and violent comments towards unpopular posters with impunity.

You should go back, get your glasses and look at the list again. They are allowed medicine, they are allowed clothes they are allowed ESSENTIALS.

Which I acknowledged. For the third fucking time: The blockade prevents the importation of goods which would reduce the Gazans reliance on imports.

Its an embargo for christs sake!!!

Even if the embargo is legal (debatable), the Israelis can't block food items, which they are doing. They need to allow in all sorts of food, and enough of it. Morally speaking, they should also allow in items which would allow these people to be self-sufficient, instead of having them sucking on Israel's tit. Oh wait, sorry, that would negate the effect of the blockade in breaking the Palestinians as a people.
 
Below from Amnesty International at http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...es-effects-palestinians-2010-06-01Suffocating Gaza - the Israeli blockade's effects on Palestinians
More than half of Gaza's population are children


1 June 2010

Israel's military blockade of Gaza has left more than 1.4 million Palestinian men, women and children trapped in the Gaza Strip, an area of land just 40 kilometres long and 9.5 kilometres wide.

Mass unemployment, extreme poverty and food price rises caused by shortages have left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid. As a form of collective punishment, Israel’s continuing blockade of Gaza is a flagrant violation of international law.

Closed borders
Since the blockade of Gaza was imposed in June 2007, the five Israeli-controlled crossings between Gaza and Israel or the West Bank have been kept closed.

The one other land crossing at Rafah, on the border between Gaza and Egypt, is controlled by the Egyptian authorities and kept shut most of the time. The closures prevent the movement of Palestinians into and out of Gaza in all but a handful of cases, generally in exceptional humanitarian cases.

Basic goods
The blockade prohibits most exports and restricts the entry of basic goods, including food and fuel. Much of the available food is provided by the UN and other aid agencies, or smuggled in through tunnels running under the Egypt-Gaza border and then sold on at exorbitantly high prices to Gaza’s beleaguered residents.

The situation has been made worse by the Egyptian government’s construction of a steel wall along the border at Rafah to disrupt the cross-border smuggling that has become Gaza’s lifeline, as well as the bombing of tunnels by the Israeli airforce.

Economic collapse
Rather than targeting armed groups, the blockade mainly hits the most vulnerable, such as children (who make up more than half of the population in Gaza), the elderly, the sick and the Gaza Strip's large refugee population.

According to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the number of refugees living in abject poverty in the Gaza Strip has tripled since the blockade began. These families lack the means to purchase even the most basic items, including soap, school materials and clean drinking water. According to the UN, more than 60 per cent of households are currently "food insecure".

Lack of facilities
There are worsening problems with the supply of electricity in the Gaza Strip, with many residents enduring 8-12 hours of power cuts each day. There are also recurrent shortages of cooking gas, requiring the implementation of a rationing scheme in which hospitals and bakeries are prioritised.

Aid blocked
While Israel allows some humanitarian supplies from international aid agencies into Gaza, these are strictly limited and frequently delayed. UN agencies have said that additional storage and transportation costs incurred from delays due to the blockade totalled around $5 million in 2009.

Health
Gaza's health sector has been plagued by shortages in equipment and medical supplies during the blockade.

Following the Israeli closure of crossings, people with medical conditions that cannot be treated in Gaza have been required to apply for permits to leave the territory to receive treatment in either foreign hospitals or Palestinian hospitals in the West Bank.

The Israeli authorities frequently delay or refuse these permits; some Gazans have died while waiting to obtain permits to leave the territory for medical treatment elsewhere.

World Health Organization (WHO) trucks of medical equipment bound for Gazan hospitals have repeatedly been turned away, without explanation, by Israeli border officials.

The Gaza conflict
From 27 December 2008 to 18 January 2009, Gaza was subjected to a devastating Israeli military offensive – Operation “Cast Lead” – which Israel said it carried out to stop Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups firing indiscriminate rockets into Israel.

More then 1,380 Palestinians were killed, including more than 300 children and other civilians, and thousands were injured. Many thousands of homes were destroyed or severely damaged, as were the electricity and water systems. Civilian buildings, including hospitals and schools, were also damaged or destroyed by Israeli attacks.

Operation “Cast Lead” pushed the humanitarian crisis in Gaza to catastrophic levels. Since it concluded, the blockade has severely hampered or prevented reconstruction efforts. With many construction materials barred or limited by Israel, Gaza’s inhabitants are unable to rebuild their shattered lives.

Continued violence
In November 2009, Hamas declared a unilateral cessation of rocket fire, although this has since been breached on several occasions by members of Palestinian armed groups.

Since the ceasefire following Operation “Cast Lead” in January 2009, one person in southern Israel has been killed by mortars and rockets fired by Palestinian armed groups.

Israeli military forces, meanwhile, have conducted regular raids into Gaza and have continued to bomb the tunnels under the border at Rafah used for smuggling between Gaza and Egypt. In the year following Operation “Cast Lead”, 71 Palestinians were killed and 130 injured in the Gaza tunnels from tunnel collapse, accidents or airstrikes.

Israeli soldiers also continue to shoot at Palestinian farmers, fishermen and other civilians when they venture near Gaza’s perimeter or approach the three nautical mile limit that Israel imposes on Gaza’s coastline causing deaths and injuries.

Collective punishment
The Israeli authorities have put forward a range of justifications for the blockade - saying variously that it is a response to attacks from Palestinian armed groups, a reaction to the continued holding of the captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, and a means to pressure the Hamas de facto administration.

But whatever its stated justification, the blockade is collectively punishing the entire population of Gaza, the majority of whom are children, rather than targeting the Hamas administration or armed groups.
 
It is quite clear that the Israeli PR machine is well oiled from the stances being presented in this thread. It seems that the essence of what has occurred has been forgotten, overlooked or is being denied in the face of common sense.

In the first instance the collective punishment that is Gaza is a grave abuse of human rights. Innocent people are cooped up, subsist on rations, and deprived of basic needs, let alone rights. This is a fact.

In light of this fact, and in light of the fact that no assistance to the people of Gaza seems forthcoming from the world at large, a group of concerned people organize an event to A. create awareness, sympathy and perhaps pressure Israel and the world to rethink such oppressive policies, and B., attempt to bring some relief and aid to these poor souls directly. This is the essence of the flotilla, whether they are humanitarians, activist for human rights, or even a little radical in their approach. They are trying to make a difference. Clearly nobody else is.

Israel, the actual oppressor and perpetuator of such human rights abuses for whatever justification they may provide, sees fit to militarily intervene to stop this attempt at bringing hope to an oppressed people and in the event a tragedy occurs. Whether the folk on the boat resisted first or the IDF defended themselves or whatever, who in their right mind fights a humanitarian event with guns and warships? And who in their right mind actually plans and authorizes this when there is such huge scope for disaster? There really was so many better ways for the Israeli authorities to handle this event. They had choices and they behaved badly and in fact murderously. Its on the record.

That anyone can argue the details around who is responsible, and who provoked who in full light of the simple reality, is beyond me. :m:
 
Yes. Unlike you, I don't have a privileged status on the forum. While you have a prolonged history of verbally abusing those who have the audacity to disagree with you while remaining untouched, I'm targeted at every opportunity. For fucks sake, I recently received an infraction for simply pointing out that Visceral Instinct had female privilege, which allowed her to make abusive and violent comments towards unpopular posters with impunity.

Privileged status my ass. Why just yesterday I earned an infraction for telling Bells to fuck off!

You come out blazing just because I pointed out that there was clothes on the list. Your list shows that they are allowing essentials and not oppressing them through the bloody list.
 
LOL, proven wrong. Israeli apologists are a riot.

Nah man... these guys are a riot.

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Get it? Because they like... you know... they're rioting? Is funny, no?

I'm here every day, remember to tip your waitress ;)
 
Privileged status my ass. Why just yesterday I earned an infraction for telling Bells to fuck off!

That's it? An infraction? After all you have done? Big deal. S.A.M received a 30 day ban for simply being on the receiving end of an inordinate amount of abuse, some of which came from you.

You come out blazing just because I pointed out that there was clothes on the list.

*sigh* I pointed it out first in order to make my point.

Your list shows that they are allowing essentials and not oppressing them through the bloody list.

For the fourth fucking time now: The embargo is denying the necessities of life that would allow the Gazan people to be self-sufficient. As such, they remain dependent on imports.
 
I think it's less of a question of why they would want one and more of a question of why they believed that it was sufficient.

The reason was probably because they were going on board a ship that primarily was inhabited by civilians, and they weren't intent on killing them, but they were prepared to use non-lethal force if people resisted (like riot police would) and should SHTF, they had pistols for side-arms.

I understand the usefulness of tear gas, rubber bullets, tasers, and percussion grenades for crowd control. I don't know what use a paintball gun is for crowd control. Is there something other than paint loaded in the paintball gun?
 
Norsefire:

I'm a neutral observer. You're obviously deeply committed to Israel.

Then your opinion is unnecessary. Cheski and I actually have something to do with the region; you don't.

Nah. You people need to start listening more to people without a vested interest and a history of supporting violence. The violent "solution" has been tried over and over again, and it hasn't worked so far. You need some different ideas from people like me.
 
That's it? An infraction? After all you have done? Big deal. S.A.M received a 30 day ban for simply being on the receiving end of an inordinate amount of abuse, some of which came from you.



*sigh* I pointed it out first in order to make my point.



For the fourth fucking time now: The embargo is denying the necessities of life that would allow the Gazan people to be self-sufficient. As such, they remain dependent on imports.

After all I have done? LOL! :D Oh you are so cute today. Listen mien liebling, Sam and I may battle it out in the threads like seasoned thread warriors but we are quite friendly behind the scenes.

Now back to the issue at hand...

The embargo makes life hell, yes I know that. The embargo is SUPPOSED to make life hell, otherwise why have an embargo. The embargo means that everything that goes into Gaza must be searched by the IDF, that slows the availability of supplies, so yes supplies will be low but they do get in. The IDF have to check each item and decide whether it has dual use.

The people of Gaza have never been 'self-sufficient'. They have always been dependent on imports (so is the US by the way. The chinese make our t-shirts) but besides this the embargo is there to make sure that Hamas doesn't get any arms into Gaza, no rockets, no BB guns and no chewing gum. So there.
 
Was this before or after the Israelis bulldozed their homes, shot their children, and sprayed their crops with cyanide? :rolleyes:

You know, I'm not even sure if that's Gaza to be honest... I just looked up riot pictures.

In any case, I still stand by what I said about the Israeli boarding party on the ship. I saw the video, from many different angles, and what I saw was clear as day... even though the footage was taken at night... and that was protesters attacking the men before they even touched down onto the ship. I saw them wielding pipes, chairs, and knives, battering and attempting to kill a bunch of guys armed primarily with paint ball guns. Nobody had to die, absolutely nobody. But the people on board that ship pushed the soldiers into a corner that left them with no choice but to fight back or die. People who were supposedly on a mission of mercy on board a ship of peace.

Just sayin'...


I understand the usefulness of tear gas, rubber bullets, tasers, and percussion grenades for crowd control. I don't know what use a paintball gun is for crowd control. Is there something other than paint loaded in the paintball gun?
If you've ever been shot with a paint ball gun, you would know why they're effective crowd control. They're better than rubber bullets too, especially at close range, because there's a significantly lesser chance of causing permanent injury or death (of course getting shot in the eyes or throat is still dangerous but that's true of just about any projectile) tasers aren't a wise decision because they're out at sea. Electricity and water do not mix.

In short: Paint ball guns are actually ideal for this sort of mission because they're effective and non-life threatening. They're also quieter than rubber/bean bag shotguns which makes them even more ideal for usage inside a closed in area like a ship's corridors.

As for other loads... I'm not sure, though I don't see why they couldn't load rubber balls instead of paint balls... as long as they're the same diameter they should fire just the same. Plus, they would only be going at the same velocity as the paint balls would, which means they would still maintain the same non-lethal characteristics for the most part.
 
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You know, I'm not even sure if that's Gaza to be honest... I just looked up riot pictures.

In any case, I still stand by what I said about the Israeli boarding party on the ship. I saw the video, from many different angles, and what I saw was clear as day... even though the footage was taken at night... and that was protesters attacking the men before they even touched down onto the ship. I saw them wielding pipes, chairs, and knives, battering and attempting to kill a bunch of guys armed primarily with paint ball guns. Nobody had to die, absolutely nobody. But the people on board that ship pushed the soldiers into a corner that left them with no choice but to fight back or die. People who were supposedly on a mission of mercy on board a ship of peace.

Just sayin'...

What the protestors should have done was paint pretty peace signs and pink neon hearts all over the vessel. They should have been sitting on board in a circle singing kumbaya while someone dosed them all on acid. They also could have had Bjork greet the soldiers while wearing her pink swan dress.

I mean come on there were some agitators on board who did try and use deadly force but that doesn't mean that the majority on board were not really peaceful protesters who wanted to just give their chocolate bunnies to the children of Gaza.
 
This is akin to showing images of how well whites accept blacks in the US prior to the civil rights movements, by showing a black guy sitting in a restaurant surrounded by whites..

How about they allow fresh meat? What about cement to rebuild the homes that Israel bombed? This is what you and several others cannot quite understand about the blockade.



What about houseplants? They are also banned? Can you tell me how houseplants pose a danger to Israel? A4 paper? I mean I guess they could make paper planes out of them and fly them into Israel..

This is the reality of the blockade.



I mean, what do you say to the parents of that 20month old baby Buffalo? This is what you are supporting and laughing at by pointing out images that some fresh fruit and vegetables get through. Great! But the fate of that 20 month old baby is the crux of the problem with the blockade.

If Israel decides on a whim to stop letting fuel in, then Gazan's have no fuel. If they decide to stop letting fresh fruit and vegetables in, then they have no fresh fruit and vegetables. The Israelis control every single aspect of the Gazan's diets.. Down to virtually how much rice and flour they are allowed to have access to. Even down to whether a 20 month old baby dies or lives in the hospital.

It's nice to be powerful, isn't it? It's nice to be the only country in the ME to have nuclear weapons and then whine that peace activists on an aid ship in international waters defended their ships with some iron pipes and a sling shot and marbles. I mean I can see how that justifies shooting journalists in the back of the head.. can't you?

So yeah, post those images and tell yourself that the blockade is justified.

Those image really got to you didnt they? A classic case of somebody brainwashed reaction when faced with facts that contradicts their dogma.
 
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