Zionist piracy

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Mr.Spock said:
You mean claiming I work for the state department ... claiming I'm a student on the Israeli foreign affairs department payroll.
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That is another lie of yours. I never claimed that. I did note an article I had read slightly before you became active here that said Israeli was paying internet operatives, mainly students, to help with Israeli's PR. I suggested you might be one. I never claimed you were. If you disagree, go back and find my post.

Hint look at your join date - it will be a few weeks after that in the file of all posts I have made.
Should not be too hard for you support this lie of your, IF IT WERE TRUE ! (Ball in your court - shut up or put up.)


I never lie. I may, and several times have, stated as "facts" things that I later learned were not true but then almost always I corrected the statements later.
For example, here is a link to recent post where I corrected "fact" that I had stated which turned out not to be true:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2528140&postcount=1001
 
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Billy T said:
That is another lie of yours. I never claimed that. I did note an article I had read slightly before you became active here that said Israeli was paying internet operatives, mainly students, to help with Israeli's PR. I suggested you might be one. I never claimed you were. If you disagree, go back and find my post.

Hint look at your join date - it will be a few weeks after that in the file of all posts I have made.
Should not be too hard for you support this lie of your, IF IT WERE TRUE ! (Ball in your court - shut up or put up.)
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Nobody is stupid enough to fall for that, I can quote you calling me a "propaganda machine" and then telling everyone to ignore me. You cant lie all the time Billy T.
 
Mr.Spock said:
Nobody is stupid enough to fall for that, I can quote you calling me a "propaganda machine" and then telling everyone to ignore me. You cant lie all the time Billy T.
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I don't remember doing that, but it is true - You are a propaganda machine - never critical of Israel no matter what Israel does.
None the less, I challenge you to do as you said you can - give me link to the post where I called you a propaganda machine. (Even if you do, that is not a lie of mine.)

I also again challenge you to support your recent lie by citing any post link in which I claimed you were a paid Israeli PR agent.

Ball still in your court. (It remains there until you give a link to the post where you say I lied.)
 
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Black Jack said:
You seem to be confused nirakar.

You're saying 2 different things... the point of the flotilla is to challenge the blockade... but then you say Israel's right to inspect goods going to Gaza isn't being challenged.

Well? Which is it? Is the blockade being challenged, or isn't it? You can't have it both ways.
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Billy already answered and I addressed this point twice before about your previous posts. Before Hamas ever won elections Israel was searching goods going into Gaza. Israel never has never been knowingly allowed weapons to enter Gaza except to some groups allied with Israel. Israel may have allowed the PA police to have side arms at one time.

The blockade that the UN and the World Health organization and I and every objective informed person that gives a shit about justice is the blocking of goods to improve the health and quality of life for Gazans.

I don't think you want to hear this.

Israel as practicing collective punishment on Gaza. Israel is deliberately making it difficult for Gazans to have clean drinking water. This is not about weapons. This is about trying to force Gazans to renounce Hamas and accept rulers more to Israel's liking through the use of collective punishment that makes miserable people more miserable and even cause some people to needlessly die from health problems.

Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
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Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
 
nirakar said:
Billy already answered and I addressed this point twice before about your previous posts. Before Hamas ever won elections Israel was searching goods going into Gaza. Israel never has never been knowingly allowed weapons to enter Gaza except to some groups allied with Israel. Israel may have allowed the PA police to have side arms at one time.

The blockade that the UN and the World Health organization and I and every objective informed person that gives a shit about justice is the blocking of goods to improve the health and quality of life for Gazans.

I don't think you want to hear this.

Israel as practicing collective punishment on Gaza. Israel is deliberately making it difficult for Gazans to have clean drinking water. This is not about weapons. This is about trying to force Gazans to renounce Hamas and accept rulers more to Israel's liking through the use of collective punishment that makes miserable people more miserable and even cause some people to needlessly die from health problems.

Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
Do you support collective punishment? This is not about weapons!
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Wow you support Hamas?
 
Hamas has made it impossible to be targetted in any way that is benign to civilians. So, in order not to harm a single Palestinian, Israel would open itself wide to Hamas attacks that are clearly aimed at Israeli civilians. Since Israel has an obligation to protect it's civilians, that means Palestinians will suffer. You can call it collective punishment, but it is in fact a military neccessity. As long as Hamas exists and operates, Palestinians will suffer. It's inherent to the dynamic of the situation.
 
To Spock:
Ball still in your court.
I.e. try to support your lie about me with link to my post where you claim I lied about you.
 
CheskiChips said:
Haha, that's great.
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Yes, good, but not as good as the one where the same Israeli group (www.latma.co.il), a recording studio I think, puts on blond wigs and give a song and dance routine telling how Norway is anti-semitic. See it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22CGlF7l5MI

You do need to sit thru the first 58 seconds, where they pretend to be news reporters and even have a photo of Stockholm as a back drop, before the dance begins. One reason it is better is that the dancing girl is good looking.

It seems they specialize in making song and dance satires, but some here (Spock and you it seems) did not realize they were just kidding around with one guy in a rented captain's hat and fake black rectangles on the background walls to resemble the boat's bridge. It seems I "own you" both on this one. :D
 
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spidergoat said:
Hamas has made it impossible to be targetted in any way that is benign to civilians. So, in order not to harm a single Palestinian, Israel would open itself wide to Hamas attacks that are clearly aimed at Israeli civilians. Since Israel has an obligation to protect it's civilians, that means Palestinians will suffer. You can call it collective punishment, but it is in fact a military neccessity. As long as Hamas exists and operates, Palestinians will suffer. It's inherent to the dynamic of the situation.
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its a military neccessity to deny palestinians food?
 
Mr.Spock,

Certainly Spook the flotilla was not all sunshine and love as they want everyone to believe, but still Israel falling for a PR stunt is not very good for Israel, what do you think Israel should have done?
 
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nirakar said:
Convoys from Egypt were tried about six months ago. Egypt stopped the convoy and turned it back.
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This is surprising, since even Sam seems to imply that Israel itself was going to let the food through but that Hamas was now refusing (see below).

S.A.M. said:
Yeah of course they did, how else did they edit out the flashes from the stun grenades and machine gun firing?
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Pure poppycock. Reprehensible. Proof, immediately.

S.A.M. said:
Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, those cool guys who work so hard for hasbara
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Regrettably, you have just negated your entire argument.

One of the things about SciForums is that people take sides. This is human nature; it's inevitable. But to actually make things up about "edited-out flashes" is simply too far. First, they just aren't there; where's the pointing of the firearms? They do generally work better when they're pointed. Secondly, you'd have to explain how this invention of yours is real (and not falsification) when it doesn't jive with the descriptions of the passengers. (Sort of a hole in your boat, really.)

Norsefire said:
They're trying to preserve their population. When your kids are constantly bombarded by der Juden, you kind of have no choice.
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Der Juden? :bugeye:

Norsefire said:
Yes it is. It's officially a Jewish state: that makes it a theocracy. Even if it has freedom of religion (*lol*), it's guided by Jewish principles, and led by Jewish theocrats. That's a fact.
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Well, it's not led by Jewish theocrats. That's a fact: Sam will tell you endlessly that Israel's humanitarian problem is their purported cultural atheism, not their adherence to Judaism.

Bells said:
My kids play with marbles...
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Excellent. Then you will no doubt indulge me by letting me fire them at your head with a high-velocity slingshot? Would I further be permitted to beat you with an "iron stick"?

S.A.M. said:
Everything is with the Israelis and they are not giving access. Apparently Hamas has declared that they will not accept any of the aid until all the detainees are freed
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Then, seemingly, they have put the ball in their court. :shrug:

nirakar said:
What ridiculous crap.

This is a very unusual event in the Maritime world. This is no peaceful US coastguard operation.
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Not a peaceful US coast, either.

Bells said:
Who are carrying guns, grenades, flash grenades, etc.. Yeah, I mean I can see how a marble and slingshot and a metal rod could stand up to someone who's armed to the teeth and supported by boats and helicopters with even bigger arms pointed at those ships...
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Then why was it attempted?

Anyway, the connections and (yes, Bells) premeditation seem quite undeniable at this point. Even PBS Radio was talking about the connection on the way into work.

PARIS - The Turkish Islamic charity behind a flotilla of aid ships that was raided by Israeli forces on its way to Gaza had ties to terrorism networks, including a 1999 al-Qaida plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport, France's former top anti-terrorism judge said Wednesday.
The Istanbul-based Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief, known by its Turkish acronym IHH, had "clear, long-standing ties to terrorism and Jihad," former investigating judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

Bruguiere, who led the French judiciary's counterterrorism unit for nearly two decades before retiring in 2007, didn't indicate whether IHH now has terror ties, but said it did when he investigated it in the late 1990s.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100602/ap_on_re_eu/eu_gaza_ships_terror_ties
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Again: I note the IHH page on Wiki suffered a "timely edit" shortly after the incident. ;) So it was planned, basically. Other posters have made new threads on this same issue, apparently.
 
Hey hey lets look on the lighter side of this then, at least these terrorist are trying to do nicer things, right?
 
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