Zionist piracy

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Lucy:

I think they should declare it a state for all citizens, scrap the Judaic yadayada, sit down and actually write a constitution that protects all citizens rights and move on from archaic tribalism. I don't think any more transportation of people here and there is necessary. I think refugees should be given the choice of citizenship where they are or return to Palestine. I would guess that most will prefer to remain where they are while enjoying the freedom to visit when they can.

I think those of us who believe in universal human rights should keep the goal posts in sight.
 
Black Jack said:
That was the idea actually. Then SHTF and things went wrong. The people on board didn't have to react violently to the drop team, but they did. They didn't have to ignore the radio transmissions, but they did.

It's like...
"So they told the ship to turn around, or redirect?"
"Yeah."
"... and they didn't?"
"Nope."
"So they boarded the ship because the people on board were ignoring them?"
"Uh-huh."
"And the people on board decided to attack armed government agents with chairs and metal pipes?"
"A-yup."
"... So where does the surprise come in?"

Like I've said, boarding parties aren't an uncommon thing in the maritime world... it happens ALL the time, and usually without the loss of life, especially when it's a government task force coming aboard to redirect a ship to their own port because of an embargo/blockade.
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What ridiculous crap.

This is a very unusual event in the Maritime world. This is no peaceful US coastguard operation.

Hijackers dropping from the sky are not entitled to not face violent defense but people defending their vessel from hijackers should not be surprised when the hijackers kill them. That is what hijackers do to people who resist.

The Israeli military were not pirates because they were not there for money. They were not police because their whole operation was illegal and their blockade of Gaza is illegal. What the Israeli military were is hijackers.

For some depraved reason, you Black jack are a hijacker sympathizer.


Israel is not the authorities. Israel is not the good guys. You are playing for the bad guys team mister Black Jack hijacker sympathizer.
 
nirakar said:
What ridiculous crap.

This is a very unusual event in the Maritime world. This is no peaceful US coastguard operation.

Hijackers dropping from the sky are not entitled to not face violent defense but people defending their vessel from hijackers should not be surprised when the hijackers kill them. That is what hijackers do to people who resist.

The Israeli military were not pirates because they were not there for money. They were not police because their whole operation was illegal and their blockade of Gaza is illegal. What the Israeli military were is hijackers.

For some depraved reason, you Black jack are a hijacker sympathizer.


Israel is not the authorities. Israel is not the good guys. You are playing for the bad guys team mister Black Jack hijacker sympathizer.
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And you are in favor of the good guys that killed more then a million innocent Armenians?
 
S.A.M. said:
Lucy:

I think they should declare it a state for all citizens
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A state for all citizens? I agree and I think it could work and would work IF there was a clear sign that Hamas has packed up its toys and changed its stance. You cannot force other nations to give citizenship rights to refugees but perhaps if there was a sign that hostilities were ceasing and there was an effort towards reconciliation then maybe they wouldn't view their Palestinians as a canker sore like they do in Lebanon. On the Israeli side there would have to be an understanding on the part of those who return that they will live peacefully as 'israeli citizens'. This doesn't mean that they cannot fight for their civil rights in Israel if they find themselves living as second class citizens but its an easier struggle than the one presently engaged in.
 
S.A.M. said:
Also I find it really bizarre that people think Israel has a right to blockade Gaza when it imports billions of dollars worth of weapons from the United States and uses them against unarmed Palestinians. Where is the blockade of Israel?
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Who in the Islamic world even matters? The economic power of this world lies with those who are currently participating in it.
 
I agree and I think it could work and would work IF there was a clear sign that Hamas has packed up its toys and changed its stance
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Cart before horse. Its the occupier who stops occupying, the occupied cannot stop being occupied on their own.
 
S.A.M. said:
Cart before horse. Its the occupier who stops occupying, the occupied cannot stop being occupied on their own.
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Not at all. Its a requirement, giving up violent conflict and accepting Israel's right to exist is a requirement. The so called occupier is the one with the power and the one in control. Grow up already!!!

I mean tell those who were at Wounded Knee where that attitude go them!!!

History is a bitch!
 
Lucysnow said:
Not at all. Its a requirement. The so called occupier is the one with the power and the one in control. Grow up already!!!
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You need to get your head on straight and quit your massively hypocritical double standard. you excuse and eat up Israel excuses for their most heinious crimes and than berate the palestinians for the slightest giving in to human nature in such situations.
 
Mr.Spock said:
And you are in favor of the good guys that killed more then a million innocent Armenians?
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How does it feel to now support a regime that is slowly killing Palestinians?


Lucysnow said:
There were nations that decided not to support the Palestinians directly when they voted for Hamas, so the fact that they were 'democratically' elected doesn't mean much if the people they voted for are seen as a terrorist organization. The embargo isn't meant to stop children from going to school that is a consequence. Its a military siege Bells, an age old tactic and its not supposed to be comfortable. Hamas can perhaps become more popular among their people but it doesn't make them stronger politically. They have yet to clean up their act enough to be taken seriously in a global setting. They are fighting a major military power with military means, they cannot engage like that and expect to make any progress or be seen as non violent. Israel is doing what all major powers do when they are threatened. Just take a look at what the US went about doing after 9/11. I think you know what I mean. These countries have big feet and it stomps on the good and bad alike. The whole situation there is beginning to remind me of northern ireland more and more all the time. Its just that Hamas didn't have a savvy representative like Gerry Adams at the helm.
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Just as Israel needs to clean up its act if it wants to be a part of the International community. Israel's actions will only continue to legitimise the actions of Hamas. In other words, the more Israel does stuff like this, the more Hamas will end up looking like the good guys. As I said earlier in this thread, Israel has become its own worst enemy and the more it acts like the regional bully and spoilt brat, the more the world community will refuse to support it. Israel is alienating itself and as this blockade continues, the worst that alienation will get and the more they storm and kill peace activists, the worst it will get for them.
 
spidergoat said:
They were not peace activists, they were violent activists.
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You know as the guy who advocates genocide you really don't have any right to bitch. and they were peace activist. being a peace activist doesn't mean your a pacifist and willing to just accept being abused.
 
Mr.Spock said:
Flotilla Rioters Prepare Rods, Slingshots, Broken Bottles and Metal Objects to Attack IDF Soldiers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU
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Who are carrying guns, grenades, flash grenades, etc.. Yeah, I mean I can see how a marble and slingshot and a metal rod could stand up to someone who's armed to the teeth and supported by boats and helicopters with even bigger arms pointed at those ships...:rolleyes:


spidergoat said:
Who in the Islamic world even matters? The economic power of this world lies with those who are currently participating in it.
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Oh they participate in it plenty when they control the majority of the oil that powers the "economic power of this world".
 
Bells said:
Just as Israel needs to clean up its act if it wants to be a part of the International community. Israel's actions will only continue to legitimise the actions of Hamas. In other words, the more Israel does stuff like this, the more Hamas will end up looking like the good guys. As I said earlier in this thread, Israel has become its own worst enemy and the more it acts like the regional bully and spoilt brat, the more the world community will refuse to support it. Israel is alienating itself and as this blockade continues, the worst that alienation will get and the more they storm and kill peace activists, the worst it will get for them.
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So where were you when HAMAS where killing their own people in the streets?
 
@Sam

Does this sound familiar?

On March 2, 1889, the U.S. Congress enacted a law dividing the Great Sioux Reservation of South Dakota, an area that formerly encompassed the majority of the state, into five smaller reservations. This was done to accommodate homesteaders from the east. It also carried out the government's policy of "breaking up tribal relationships" and "conforming Indians to the white man's ways, peaceably if they will, or forcibly if they must".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

Who do you think the Israeli government learned this stuff from? The US and UK of course; indirectly through the lessons of history.
 
Bells said:
Who are carrying guns, grenades, flash grenades, etc.. Yeah, I mean I can see how a marble and slingshot and a metal rod could stand up to someone who's armed to the teeth and supported by boats and helicopters with even bigger arms pointed at those ships...:rolleyes:



Oh they participate in it plenty when they control the majority of the oil that powers the "economic power of this world".
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now now bells you can't discount the missle corvettes
 
Bells said:
Who are carrying guns, grenades, flash grenades, etc.. Yeah, I mean I can see how a marble and slingshot and a metal rod could stand up to someone who's armed to the teeth and supported by boats and helicopters with even bigger arms pointed at those ships...:rolleyes:
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As far as im concern, if that is what they expected from the Israeli force then they shouldnt have attacked them.

All and all, peace activists do not act in a violent fashion. Moreover, this video contradicts earlier reports that they were just defending themselves after they were attacked by IDF troops. you can clearly see how those troops are acting responsibly by not engaging the idiots who are provoking them.
 
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