Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?

Do you accept the official explanation that fire caused the collapse?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 44.6%
  • No

    Votes: 35 47.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 6 8.1%

  • Total voters
    74
What you are saying, dkb218, is that not only did Bush and Co. orchestrate the bombing of two major office buildings full of people, but also the hijacking of 4 airplanes, deliberately aiming for the Pentagon and possibly the White House. It is beyond credulity that he could get the number of Americans required for such a mission to agree to such a thing. Especially since the Pentagon would be needed for any potential war.
 
Now, if "khaled sheikh mohammed" was a tripple agent working for Pakistan, Al Qaeda, and the neocons then everything is possible.
 
dkb218 said:
You and your Occams Razor [I saw the movie CONTACT also]
This THEORY seems like a sell out - a way of doing the least thinking...

It says that the most plausible answer is most likely the truth, doing too much thinking can lead just as far away fromthe truth as doing too little. Before you accuse anyone of seeing through rose colored glasses we should just remember that you are a follower of the arab faith and hence have a vested interest.

Again if 9/11 was carried out by the powers that be as a reason to invade iraq why wasn't there a more direct link to saddam? As it was even after 9/11 Bush and co had to come up with other links and accusations to try and justify the invasion, pretty damn sloppy work for the criminal masterminds wouldn't you say.
 
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spuriousmonkey said:
No.

And neither are you nor David E Jones?
can you please attach your replies to the quotes. its confusing

alright....no, i aint a Fireman, but we are talking Firemen who report they heard explosions. now are you saying experienced NYC Firemen are ignorant as to the dfference between what you assume and their own judgments of what bombs do?

anyway......it STINKS to high heaven, and i am amazed people um and arr about it. thoug i espect not beng gullible, as tis was a masssive event andneeds careful scrutiny....but i must say, that when you take into account all the inconsistencies and coverups in te Official stoy and actions AND add to this the actual evidence of occultic 'signature' all ofver 9/11, to ten still cling to naive views seems to me for comfort.....naifve!....and always remember...CUI BONO...who does it benefit?
checkout this link..itlooks quite detailed...open up link 'How strong is the evidence for a ontrolled demolition? etc

http://911controlleddemolition.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_911controlleddemolition_archive.html
&

Rescue Fireman Louie Cacchioli
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
 
spuriousmonkey said:
I responded to the previous post.
hahaaa yer forcin me into position now of going all schoolteacherly....this usually happens to me about typos, spellin u name it. but hey....usin the reply quote thingy is easy dude....or are you being a rebel without a quote?
 
Able Danger:
Uncovering the 9/11 Cover-up
More Than Half of House Reps. Wants Hearings on Able Danger
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=AND20051124&articleId=1323

by Barbara Anderson


November 24, 2005
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November 21, 2005 - Writing for the Wall Street Journal's opinion page, former FBI Director Louis Freeh has become the most recent critic of the 9/11 Commission's investigation into the terrorist attacks that killed 3,000 Americans. He also leveled criticism at the 9/11 Commission Report, which he says is flawed because it is incomplete.
Able Danger, a relatively small data-mining operation, claims it identified several terrorist cells in this country and elsewhere before the 9/11 attacks. It also claims that members identified Mohammed Atta and three other 9/11 hijackers in mid-2000. They further claim that they warned defense officials about activity in Aden, Yemen. They advised against entering the Port of Aden two days before the attack on the U.S.S. Cole on October 12, 2000, which left seventeen American sailors dead.
According to Able Danger participants, this vital information about terrorists in our midst was never allowed to get to those who may have used it to thwart the 9/11 terrorist attacks. They claim they tried three separate times to present it to the FBI and were barred three separate times from doing so by attorneys for the Clinton administration.
When LTC Anthony Shaffer of Able Danger went public with his allegations, appearing on talk shows, retaliation was swift. Representative Curt Weldon, who has gone to bat for Shaffer, relates: "They have gagged the military officers. They have prevented them from talking to any member of Congress. They have prevented them from talking to the media. And the Defense Intelligence Agency has began a process to destroy the career and the life of Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer." In other action, according to Representative Weldon, one day before the Lieutenant Colonel was to testify before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, in uniform, they permanently removed his security clearance. The Defense Intelligence Agency told LTC Shaffer's attorney they planned to seek a permanent removal of his pay and his health care benefits for him and his two children. Reports are that this punishment has been lightened somewhat, but we still may not hear from LTC Shaffer. He has been effectively muzzled.
Why did this information never get to the FBI? Former Director Freeh has remarked that the Able Danger information was the kind of intelligence that could have prevented the hijackings. What the 9/11 Commission did show was the lack of communication between the different agencies because of a "firewall" set up to hinder such communication. It has been charged that the person responsible for that wall was none other than Jamie Gorelick, who was part of the Clinton administration, and who was the lead Democrat on the 9/11 Commission.
Congressman Weldon has called for a criminal investigation into what he says is the most important story of our lifetime. He says he has support from 202 fellow lawmakers from both parties, noting on Thursday, November 17, that their goal was to force Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to allow "former participants in the intelligence program-known as Able Danger-to testify in an open hearing before the United States Congress." However, Congressman Weldon has encountered resistance for such a criminal investigation from some on the 9/11 Commission. Slade Gorton appeared on Lou Dobbs Tonight to say there is nothing to the reports about Able Danger and they are not important enough to consider further action. Tim Roemer has chimed in that Able Danger presented no helpful information for the 9/11 Commission to consider.
Former FBI Director Louis Freeh disagrees. He charged that the 9/11 Commission ignored or "summarily rejected" the most critical evidence that could have prevented the horrible deaths of 3,000 of our fellow citizens. Evidence collected by Able Danger, if true, is "undoubtedly the most relevant fact of the entire post-9/11 inquiry." However, the 9/11 Commission concluded, and members have publicly stated, that it was "not historically significant". Thus was valuable information dismissed. Thus was Able Danger rendered irrelevant.
In righteous anger Congressman Weldon has noted that "in two weeks with two staffers, I've uncovered more in this regard than they did with 80 staffers and $15 million of taxpayers' money!" He also claimed that "there's something very sinister that's going on here that really troubles me."
Freeh says that new revelations point out that it is "a good time for the country to make some assessments of the 9/11 Commission itself." Freeh has commended the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Republican Arlen Specter, for examining some of these matters. Able Danger was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. Weldon has claimed, "There's a cover-up here. It's clear and unequivocal". Freeh makes a good case for an investigation, saying "The Joint Intelligence Committees should reconvene and, in addition to Able Danger team members, we should have the 9/11 commissioners appear as witnesses so the families can hear their explanation why this doesn't matter." Many other Americans would like to hear that explanation, also.
 
Explosives planted in the Building?? LOL

Then why didnt they plant MORE explosives (since they were soooo good at hiding them) and completely level the buildings instantly so that they would have killed far more people?? Why go to all the trouble of planes??? They blow them up and then send some note claiming who did it. Far easier to implement, cause greater fatalities, and easier to shift the blame.

I tell you why- because there were no explosives!!

And the steel beams were recycled and recast for a naval ship, not mysteriously sent to asia.
 
And once again, this whole explosives thing is really retarded. They could have just wired the entire ground floor with explosives and toppled them. Why complicate it with planes?? Doesnt anyone here know of the KISS principle?? And like the Pentagon is going to bomb itself. Lame lame lame.
 
john smith said:
I had no idea the fires were supposed to have caused the collapse, i assumed it was from the impact of the incoming plane(s)? No, i dont reckon the fire would be sufficent to cause the collapse either, although it would be fairly hard to see why officals would 'cover it up', what would be the point?
Well, the planes caused the fire, which melted the steel girders holding the building up, which transferrer weight unevenly, which made the buildings collapse.
Why even the yankee government would cover it up baffles me, and I hate them northerns, so...
 
Hapsburg said:
which melted the steel girders...
The official report does not claim that fire melted the steel girders only that it weakened them. Yet there was still molten metal at the site some time after the collapse, can you explain that? No-one else has bothered trying...
spuriousmonkey said:
Did you even read my link?
It's a little late but you're kidding. You cannot be bothered to read the original link yet expect people to follow links you post.
 
the 9/11 atrocity was designed meticulously as like a film is, for the specifc effect of TRAUMA. Trauma is VERY important for te Illuminati. They are all about MINDCONTROL, and any psychologist etc will tell you tat trauma is a technique for mind manipulation. Wy you think tortureres use it, including Western
offical torture?

they wnted mass trauma, and terror, and 'holy shit'...they got it. THEN tey can begine molding gullible terrororized minds for te objectives, teir 'war of terror' and teir new 'ENEMY'--Islam, Muslim people

also, for tosewho are not convinced, please dont disregard the occultic symbolism all over '9/11'. either that or please explain it away giving evidence?
 
duendy said:
the 9/11 atrocity was designed meticulously as like a film is, ...

How did "they" keep it a secret? If it was designed and carried out by humans, how could they possibly keep all those people from talking to the press ...and receiving lots and lots of money for talking?

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
How did "they" keep it a secret? If it was designed and carried out by humans, how could they possibly keep all those people from talking to the press ...and receiving lots and lots of money for talking?

Baron Max
i know...this isa recurring query of yours about this.
First understand--secrets ARE being kept. remember that horrendous atrocity 'Dunblane'?...for those who dont know. a man went to a tiny infants school and massacred a class of infants. it is one of THE most awful thing i've ever seen..
well, Blair is involved in the scandal. and it is secret. dont ask me to revea details. do your own researchm andbelieve it or disbelieve it, but it is so. the subject of thsisthread is about 9/11

also the Princess Diana affiar. things are extremely dodgy about all that, yet noone is talking. and the ones that are like Dodi's dad, are ridicule----o there you have one clue bmax, RIDICULE prevents further investigations. ridicual is part of deflecting propaganda. anothe term that is ridiculed is 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST'..am i right??

my memory fails me but i know tis as fact, but cant for now remember theissue. Blair has put an unprecidented HUNDREDYEAR ban on information. isn't that a secret?

on top of ridiculs there is the real threat of murder by State. if you dont believetis really goes on to people who may threaten secrets then your naive. one kind of murder is called 'Suicided' ie., a person is made to seem they killd themselves

When an event as huge as 9/11 occurs, implying immense power behind te event, then there is immense fear of even speaking about the real causes. obviously. for if they can do what qe saw they are capable of anything

But you know, when you look intothis, there ARE vpices speaking out. only thing is, mass media is owned by the same powers that are party to that event so you have to g to alternative news sources to hear off offical reports

But the Illuminati are so fukin blase...whyelse would they have the audacity to leave ter massive occultic clues ll over that event and others? because they assume he MAJORITY of people wont believe is why. go out on te street now bmax and do some STATISTICS. see how many people on th street believe it wa an inside job. many will propbably believe its all done and dusted and we need to defeat 'terrorism' ---the propaganda successful !
 
Okay, Duendy, you keep on believing whatever you wish! But I wouldn't be talking like that so much out in public ..."they" will put you in a hospital for the mentally insane! :)

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Okay, Duendy, you keep on believing whatever you wish! But I wouldn't be talking like that so much out in public ..."they" will put you in a hospital for the mentally insane! :)

Baron Max
that is what they do, yes, and other things.....you, meanwhile. stay as 'sweet' as ya are!
 
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