Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?

Do you accept the official explanation that fire caused the collapse?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 44.6%

  • No

    Votes: 35 47.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Total voters
    74
spuriousmonkey said:
So what? Anyone can say what they want.

You got any proof? That site certainly didn't have any.
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well, unfortuneatel icant access video feeds thru my simple set-top digital box, buti AVEaseen online footage before....what we're saying is that is is BEEEEECAuse of also-planted explosives building went down like thy did

that alos dont just turn a blind eye yto te convenient lack of security etc previous to the event .....ANDthe cherry on the cake-as it were is the HUGE HUGE CLUE hint hint of Occultic numerology and symbolism surrounding and all over the awful event of 9/11

lewt me ask you a speculative question...which i bey yer dont answer. we'll see:

JUST say it were true? that you suddenly clicked it WAS what the 'conspiracy theorists' were saying. HOW would that affect you?
 
I do not believe the "official" version of events promoted and the reasons given for the towers falling.

People for the most part just need some half way plausible story to believe in. No matter how much the evidence points away from the "official" version of events, people still refuse to see. Even those who swallowed the story had to really force it down. There has to be at least one “fact” that every one of you has a problem believing.

Respected members of the fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating [result] has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers.

Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA… is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything.
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This [“official”] story just does not add up…. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans…. There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. (Ryan, 2004; emphasis added.)
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Why did the WTC collapse? Well let's see, it could be because A FAUCKING PLANE CRASHED INTO IT?
 
Lucidfox said:
Why did the WTC collapse? Well let's see, it could be because A FAUCKING PLANE CRASHED INTO IT?
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Wow, he/she/it just solved the crime! Why didn't we think of that? Damn, we were looking at all that other fake evidence and totally missed this professors proof!!! Wow... :eek: The freakin planes cause it all...

Um, did you bother to read the paper presented in the link provided in the first post? Try it professor... read it...
 
dkb218 said:
Um, did you bother to read the paper presented in the link provided in the first post? Try it professor... read it...
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I didn't bother to read it, but I did look the guy up.

Here is his info page:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/bergeson/physics1/atomic/jones_cv.htm

And look at one of his interests:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext and figures.htm
Evidence of christ's visit to the americas. Imagine that. He certainly isn't an opinionated crackpot!
 
dkb218,
Maybe you just have a desire to feel intelligent and superior. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a 747 loaded with fuel hitting a building is just a 747 loaded with fuel hitting a building.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Has nobody run an engineering similation on a computer yet about this? They must have.
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Yes. An engineering group, I think it was the American Society of Structural Engineers, did numerous tests, wrote numerous reports/articles, about the collapse and the reasons and the effects. It was basically done to help prevent anything like it happening in the future ...i.e., how to fireproof steel beams and columns so as to prevent the heating and failure.

If I'm not mistaken, you can read those reports on the 'Net ...I just don't know where the hell they are! I know it's old, old fashioned, but ya' might try the library?

Baron Max
 
Well, okay ......tell me ...how did that many people keep that secret for so long? I mean, we have leaks to the press on everything from tactics/strategy on war to how great pussy tastes to the high-ranking generals. So how, oh, how, did someone keep all of those people involved in the bombing from telling their secrets for money????

I could much more readily believe that little green men from the planet Mercury did it than some conspiracy bullshit. The little green men probably wouldn't be able to leak their secrets to the press .....'cause they probably don't speak English!

Baron Max
 
spuriousmonkey said:
I didn't bother to read it, but I did look the guy up.
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So we could also say because of some silly posts of yours around here means your Phd is meaningless. And still without reading it you believe you can make an argument against it? (The link still works for me...)
spidergoat said:
Why didn't anyone hear explosives going off?
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Obviously you haven't read the linked paper either.
spuriousmonkey said:
Has nobody run an engineering similation on a computer yet about this? They must have.
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Read the bloody link ya lazy bastard, it contains quotes and links to the official reports and research.
 
Geez, I don't know .....how do I merge threads? Sounds like fun, but I don't know how to do it. I've just recently learned how to turn this damned thing ON/OFF. :)

Besides, I have to go in the kitchen now and make an apple cobbler. What's more important ....an apple cobbler or some dumbassed thread? :)

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Well, okay ......tell me ...how did that many people keep that secret for so long? I mean, we have leaks to the press on everything from tactics/strategy on war to how great pussy tastes to the high-ranking generals. So how, oh, how, did someone keep all of those people involved in the bombing from telling their secrets for money????

I could much more readily believe that little green men from the planet Mercury did it than some conspiracy bullshit. The little green men probably wouldn't be able to leak their secrets to the press .....'cause they probably don't speak English!

Baron Max
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I'm glad you asked that question. It's easy to keep a secret. Did you know about the stealth bomber before the Air Force revealed it to the public? No you didn't.

Here's some more facts for you to chew on. The same guy who was the lead investigator for the Pentagon Crash, was the same lead investigator for the Oaklahoma City Bombing, and the previous WTC disaster. And he is proven liar, when the goverments lead invesigator is a proven liar, that pretty much discredits everything they say.

Popular Mechanics 911 Hit piece debunked! | 11/15/2005 7:47:23 PM PST |



Claim: Allyn E. Kilsheimer, the CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC which was responsible for rebuilding the Pentagon under the Phoenix Project as the head structural engineer, stated in the Popular Mechanics’s article “9/11 Myths: Flight 77 Debris” that

I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y

THAT WAS A FLAT OUT LIE!!!!! PROOF

Fairfax County Workers found the Black Box.





Carlton Burkhammer was at work at Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Station14 when he heard about the World Trade Center crashes. Part of Fairfax County’s elite urban search and rescue team, Burkhammer prepared to suit up and head to New York City. One of the nation’s most experienced rescue teams, the squad had been deployed in disasters all over the world: Oklahoma City, embassy bombings, the Turkey earthquake.

Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699



Kilsheimer Has A Long History of Cover-Ups

Allyn Kilsheimer is a member of a group of individuals owning businesses, in academia and working for the federal government that appear at every questionable terrorist attack to provide the analysis and cover-up. His firm was called to after the Oklahoma City Bombings, 1993 World Trade Center Bombings, and the Recent Pentagon Bombings. What a coincidence. This is why alot of people aren't needed in a cover-up. It helps when you have the same guy doing the analysis for all those bombings;)
 
Baron Max said:
Geez, I don't know .....how do I merge threads? Sounds like fun, but I don't know how to do it. I've just recently learned how to turn this damned thing ON/OFF. :)

Besides, I have to go in the kitchen now and make an apple cobbler. What's more important ....an apple cobbler or some dumbassed thread? :)

Baron Max
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I was talking to a mod.
 
I did read some catch phrases in the paper. And even with that I wasted my time. Not that my time is precious.

And I know everybody is in awe of my PhD. But you may forget I have one and treat me like the rest of the mob.
 
Huwy said:
FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800ºF to 1500ºF.
Steel doesn't melt until it reaches 2750ºF.
How do you explain that?
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You don't have to melt steel to weaken it.

Ever seen a blacksmith?
 
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