Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?

Do you accept the official explanation that fire caused the collapse?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 44.6%

  • No

    Votes: 35 47.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Total voters
    74
They did all fail at the same time. And when did the sides of the building buckle?
No-one has ever seen the sides of the buildings buckle?

Can you present this "most basic" information to us then?

Bill Clinton gets blowjob and then lies about it: $60 million USD investigation.
Biggest attack on American soil, over 3000 lives: $12 million USD investigation - the 9/11 commission.

No OTHER concrete and steel building has EVER collapsed from FIRE.
So why the WTC towers? And why did building 7 collapse?

Do you even know about building 7?

Silverstein admits on television that they decided to "pull it".
 
If it was any kind of conspiracy, please explain how that many people could possibly keep it a secret for so long? I mean, we've had so many "secrets" published in the newspapers that it's not even funny anymore.

But "secretly" getting the Muslim terrorists to hi-jack the planes; "secretly" placing all of the appropriate explosives in the building; "secretly" detonating those explosives at just the right time; and "secretly" getting all of the conspiring operatives out of the area/out of the media spotlight; ......and any number of such problems, seems absolutely astronomical in scope.

Seriously, can one of you conspiracy advocates please explain how that could possibly be done .....in "secret"? ...where none of the operatives would ever, never, tell the story to the papers/news media ..even for a gazillion dollars?

Baron Max
 
They did all fail at the same time.
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No. You can quite clearly see on TV that the buildings collapsed from top to bottom.

And when did the sides of the building buckle?
No-one has ever seen the sides of the buildings buckle?
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They buckled during the collapse. Remember the aftermath, with the piles of twisted building supports?

Bill Clinton gets blowjob and then lies about it: $60 million USD investigation.
Biggest attack on American soil, over 3000 lives: $12 million USD investigation - the 9/11 commission.
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Yes, it's amazing to reflect on how stupid the Clinton impeachment process was, isn't it?

No OTHER concrete and steel building has EVER collapsed from FIRE.
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I'm fairly sure you're wrong about that. But anyway, the WTC construction was fairly unique, as I said before.

And why did building 7 collapse?

Do you even know about building 7?
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Wasn't that right next door to the WTC?
 
I suspect that many people who suffer a particularly superficial understanding of major events like 9-11 tend to be susceptible to extravagent theories such as "contolled demolition". There are many fascinating aspects and even mysteries to this tragedy, but it requires a certain amount of education and engagement to approach them.

How the heat caused the collapse, and why the terrorists chose heavily-fueled airliners departing on intercontinental flights does not require much research to come to grips with. How and where the necessary training was acquired to carry out the flying tasks doesn't get much scrutiny, but these and most every issue have been explored here.

It's very easy to search for prior threads on this subject within SF. It would be more considerate of other participants to do so before expounding in such redundant and unoriginal ways.
 
Huwy said:
FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800ºF to 1500ºF.
Steel doesn't melt until it reaches 2750ºF.
How do you explain that?
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Steel loses much of its strength long before it actually turns into liquid. The accepted explanation for the towers' collapse does NOT state that the steel melted, only that it got hot enough that it couldn't support the building any more.
 
Huwy said:
No OTHER concrete and steel building has EVER collapsed from FIRE.
So why the WTC towers? And why did building 7 collapse?
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For starters, there was no concrete used in the WTC towers. Just steel and glass. Also, no OTHER steel megastructure has EVER been rammed by a fully-fueled jetliner, so there's no basis for comparison.

WTC 7, like numerous other building in the immediate vicinity, suffered structural damage from falling debris. A lot of debris gets spread around when two of the biggest structures on earth collapse, and an I-beam dropped from 1000+ feet packs a lot of wallop.
 
"FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800ºF to 1500ºF.
Steel doesn't melt until it reaches 2750ºF.
How do you explain that?"

LOL

I guess you have never seen a blacksmith heat up a piece of metal so he can bend it.......
 
James R said:
How do you know?
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Did you not see the fire ball? Have you ever poured kerosene on a fire?
James R said:
Because the building collapsed staight downwards. You say the TV footage, didn't you?
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Wow, you saw the TV footage didn't you? So they didn't topple becuase they collapsed, surely you can do better than that. The top did topple on one of the collapses.
James R said:
They didn't fail at the same time.
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As I've already implied would lead to toppling and not pancaking.
James R said:
Why don't you do a little reading about the building structure and why the collapse actually occurred, before jumping to conclusions?
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Why dont you? You didn't even bother to read the link did you?
James R said:
Ranting about conspiracies without the most basic information makes you look a bit silly.
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The link I provided is making news try google, so I thought I'd seek some comment of the specifics of the paper and that it would be pertinent to point out my opinion. I have posted nothing that resembles a rant about conspiracies. If a controlled demolition means a conspiracy of some magnitude that you find implausible well thats your problem it does not justify such a snide remark, grow up!
James R said:
I'm fairly sure you're wrong about that
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Fairly sure? How about a link to some research or some such?
James R said:
Wasn't that right next door to the WTC?
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Ahh so it went out in sympathy for its fallen brethren.
hypewaders said:
How the heat caused the collapse, and why the terrorists chose heavily-fueled airliners departing on intercontinental flights does not require much research to come to grips with. How and where the necessary training was acquired to carry out the flying tasks doesn't get much scrutiny, but these and most every issue have been explored here.
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And yet another that never read the linked document.
hypewaders said:
It's very easy to search for prior threads on this subject within SF. It would be more considerate of other participants to do so before expounding in such redundant and unoriginal ways.
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I was expecting comments on the linked paper, I'm sure if you read it your comment would be less redundant and unoriginal.
quadraphonics said:
Steel loses much of its strength long before it actually turns into liquid. The accepted explanation for the towers' collapse does NOT state that the steel melted, only that it got hot enough that it couldn't support the building any more.
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crazy151drinker said:
I guess you have never seen a blacksmith heat up a piece of metal so he can bend it.......
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Can either of you explain the molten metal that was found after the collapse?
 
Btw that molten metal was found WEEKS after the collapse.

Its a federal crime to tamper with a crime scene. Yet they cleaned it all up pretty quickly didnt they? They shipped those steel beams off to asia and sold them.
 
I am just waiting for someone to claim that Elvis and his army of mole people, secretly in charge of NASA, flattened the buildings with an invisible orbital particle cannon stolen from the Soviets by Israel in the Cold War.
 
Yeah I'm sure you'll be laughing after the next "9/11", especially if they use a nuke.
 
Huwy said:
I think it was the neo-con group called "Project for a New American Century.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

They are the ones who called for the "new pearl harbor". Its on their website.

Funny how all these "illuminati" conspiracies
A: have really picked up after the books of Dan Brown,
B: are often proposed by religious crazies - because traditionally the illuminati was a anti-religious scientific organisation.

me:::::no. it is anti CHRISTIAN religion/ Abahamic religion, NOT anti-science. as usual you argue ironically not realizing you are agreeing.....!I.E.,the 'project for a new american century' IS illuminati-led

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800ºF to 1500ºF.
Steel doesn't melt until it reaches 2750ºF.
How do you explain that?
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James R said:
How do you know?



Because the building collapsed staight downwards. You say the TV footage, didn't you?



They didn't fail at the same time. One or a few floors collapsed at the level where the planes hit. The lower floors collapsed when they were hit by the upper floors coming down on top of them.



Why don't you do a little reading about the building structure and why the collapse actually occurred, before jumping to conclusions? There's plenty of information available. The WTC was constructed in a rather unusual way, so that the floors were fixed to and supported by the building outer layer and the central core. When one or a few floors collapsed, the floors below were hit, and they were never designed to take the amount of weight. At a certain point in the collapse, the sides of the building also buckled.

Ranting about conspiracies without the most basic information makes you look a bit silly.
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look mate......te people with te guts to explore behind te Offical story absurdities do not just rant. tey are human just like yourself, and have the same cpacity to want to find out. dont just sweep it all away as BS.
chckout here :
An Impossible Collapse
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_smoking_gun.htm

so tere is THAT right?.....as WELL as that tere is the overwhelming CLUE of Illuminati numerologica symbolism ALL over '911'...which simply cannot be ignored except by those happy with denial

also a more mundande point. demolition experts know how to ollapse buildings so they go down like a pack of cards, just like what happened wit the 911 buildings..........
and
you cannot just look at that event in isolation. you HAVE to explore te complex pattern of it all. such as othr events, patterns, the history of......occultic history, who benefits from such atrocities, etc etc etcetera

this issue is not for specialzed approach at all at all
 
Your link has mysteriously disappeared. I think the FBI must have taken it down to keep the conspiracy intact.

Just looked at a video. The area of impact collapses. The top collapses subquently on the area of impact. The top makes the rest of the building collapse.

Gravity is a bitch.
 
Well, I actually look at some footage on that particular site to begin with and ended up with a conservative conclusion that nothing mysterious has happened.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Well, I actually look at some footage on that particular site to begin with and ended up with a conservative conclusion that nothing mysterious has happened.
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did you miss where it says explosives were planted in te buildings??
 
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