spidergoat said:
What you are saying, dkb218, is that not only did Bush and Co. orchestrate the bombing of two major office buildings full of people, but also the hijacking of 4 airplanes, deliberately aiming for the Pentagon and possibly the White House. It is beyond credulity that he could get the number of Americans required for such a mission to agree to such a thing. Especially since the Pentagon would be needed for any potential war.
Spidergoat,
What is remarkable about your post is the emphasis on "argument" and what you see as limits to facts based on your assesseent of "credulity". Contrast this with just the visual material contained in the media tapes of 9/11/2001 covering just the Pentatgon attack and the Shankesville crash.
In both events the absence of crash debris js inconsistent with the impacts of a Boeing 757 aircraft with both the Pentagon Building and the ground at Shankesville,Pa., respectively. Both events require the presence of scattered aluminum scraps that would make it impossible to avoid recognizing. The suggestion of some that the Pentagon Building absorbed the aircraft is specious and a manufactured description of the laws of physics. Three layers of two foot thick reinforced concrete walls require specifically designed military ordnance to manifest a forceful penetraion.
The main gear and two fan jet engines (with intake diameters of over six feet), reognizable portions of the tail and wing assemblies being totally absent from view should be enough "evidence" to negate any theoretical assumptions that these events were caused by the activities of Islamic Fundamenmtalists.
The damage sustained by the Pentagon Building does prove at least one thing: The object that impacted the building was very definitely not a Boeing 757 American Airlines, or any airplane of comparable size.
No passenger, crew or skyjacker body parts were recovered in either the Pentagon or the Shankesville, Pa. crash sites.
Your post attempts to smother reality because you cannot conceive of the reality that high placed individuals in the United States Government have been actively pursuing the replacement of our constitutional government with one of limitiless exercise of power. Bush is the eight president in succession since the couip d'etat of November 22, 1963, which should be obvious to the most casual of observation. The successful completion of the 911 mission could only ahve happened with the cooperation and acttive supoport of many highly placed individuals in our government. We can all determine who is ignoring the facts of 911 and who is steering the attention of the public to other matters.
This thread is intended to discover just what indeed resulted in the collapse of the Twin Towers. The answer is staring us all right in the face.
When the towers collapsed they did so straight down. The first floor to give way did so uniformly over the entire surface of that floor. If we are to believe that the fire fueld by the jet fuel on board the two aircraft heated the steel support structures to the point of 'giving way' then those structures must necessarily have weakened uniformly over the entire floors that first collapsed.
This iuniformity of the loss of structural integrity must have been duplicated in both towers, not just one. The scientific level of confidence in the probability of both of these events occuring randomly is vanishlingly small.
Jet fuel, kerosene, burns at 800 degrees fahrenheit. The steel girders supporting the weight of the building were designed to sustain heat of up to near 2000 degrees F. Even assuming that the supporting strength of the structural steel was weakened at lower than 2000 degrees, the fact remains that the beams had to fail uniformly over the entire floor area of the individual towers, otherwise the building would have toppled sideways instead of straightr down.
Whjat can sup[p[ort the observed "straight down" collapse mode? Firemen at the scene described the collapsing as accompanied with a series of explosions that preceded each colpasing floor. These firemen had experience and training in the controlled implosion of buildings designed to be removed. This requires the placement of explosiove devices at key points in the floors of the building.
You Spidermonkey, arguing that Bush could nbot have gotten hundreds of "Americans" to go along with his plotg is indicative of themost naive and childish understanmding of the history of our country and the world the past 40 years. You want us to believe that Americans are incapable of creating tyranny and a political state governed by the gun.
With a War on Terror just beginning to gather momentum the intentions of the plotters should be acutely obvious. With the US Constitution being trashed with impunity by a cooperating Congress and Judiciary, all sincerely suppported with a press that is certainly not free, the integration of the war on drugs with the phony war on terror, what you see is what you get.
The Constitution (Article III) defines treason as conducting war on the United States, which certainly the 9/11/2001 such acts of war. Also, included within the definition of treasopn, are acts that give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States, which certainly include giving any support, aid and/or compfort to the actual persons carrying out the physical operation resulting in the murder of thousands of persons and the destruction of massive amounts of property.
Any act in abetting or assisting the furtherance of the conspiracy is also treasonable. I might also infoirm you that treason, of the kind demonstrated by those criminals of 911 are subject to the termination of their lives by the sudden jerk on their scrawny necks when they come to the end of a rope tied around their scrawny necks.
At the very least their is certainly probable cause to believe in the existence of the domestic plot resulting in the 911 attacks, an act of war. The plot has reached a point where the present occupant of the White House, certain members iof Congress and the HJudiciary, have exceeded the lawful limnitation of their activity by the treasonable and other abusive exercise of government power.
Hundreds of thousands of persons whose lives were sacrificed over the years during their committed support and defense of the Constitution of the United States. Is all of that to be swept aside in some kind of debate, or are those who are able to discern at least some of thge truth able to develop a personal committment to do the right thing when the opportunity arises, and when the "right thing" is, from their personal perspective, necessary as an act of preservation of their country.
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