Why do you love God?

[Myles]

There is a word for people who hear voices that no one else can.
If we can't understand difficult passages that must make you something special.
I cannot read hebrew nor do I have a suitable typeset. To be honest, I'm not sure that I want you to "rerveal" anything to me. Could you use evidence and/or logic instead?

Of course I can use logic but I suspect that you have hardened your heart against the truth

"Pray ye and wait till the Lord cometh ! " Eugenics: 1.11

 

[davewhite04]

davewhite, just out of curiosity:

What is your definition of the "kingdom"?

Did the person you talked to tell you anything about the kingdom?

Is "kingdom," "kingdom of God," "kingdom of heaven," "heavenly kingdom," all referring to the same thing?

And is "heaven" and "kingdom" the same thing, or similar?

Thanks.

There is two types of kingdoms in the bible, earthly and spiritual.

I did not ask about this.

Heavenly or God's kingdom is spiritual.

Earthly rule is not.

 

[davewhite04]

Really? I guess I should ask then why do the four books of the gospel not agree on major points? Or where was the fictional jesus really born? Or when is the second coming due? Or according to the KJ translation, how long was the fictional jesus on the cross?
Should I go on?

What major points?

What evidence have you got that he was not born?

No one knows the time or the hour.

How long was he on the cross according to your translation?

Before you go on, answer these.

 

[snake river rufus]

Of course I can use logic but I suspect that you have hardened your heart against the truth

"Pray ye and wait till the Lord cometh ! " Eugenics: 1.11

All that you need do is come up with some evidence then
Note: believing in the supernatural is by definition not logical I'll let you off the hook for using logic.
My heart has nothing to do with anything except pumping blood through my body, it is not a 'truth detector':bugeye:

 

[davewhite04]

My heart has nothing to do with anything except pumping blood through my body, it is not a 'truth detector':bugeye:

Actually, what is a lie detector based on?

 

[snake river rufus]

What major points?

What evidence have you got that he was not born?

No one knows the time or the hour.

How long was he on the cross according to your translation?

Before you go on, answer these.

Per my post, use king james (not the American standard-it's revised. It seems that gods word must change to reflect modern times)
From each of the four gospels tell me how long jesus was alledged to have been on the cross. Hint, there is more than one answer.
In the gospel of matthew, the fictional jesus was said to state that the 2nd coming would be during the lifetimes of some present- so show me a 2000 year old hebrew.

 

[davewhite04]

From each of the four gospels tell me how long jesus was alledged to have been on the cross. Hint, there is more than one answer.

Show me the verses.

In the gospel of matthew, the fictional jesus was said to state that the 2nd coming would be during the lifetimes of some present- so show me a 2000 year old hebrew.

I don't know where you are getting this from.

 

[snake river rufus]

What evidence have you got that he was not born?.

M*W: You've asked for it. I've given it to you many times in the past, but here is the last time I will post a bibliography of biblical scholars and archeological researchers who deny the existence of Jesus. The bibliography includes the false pretenses of the gospels, the comparison of an historic Jesus to a mythological Jesus. This bibliography provides the history of the new testament and it's overall myth. There are many more titles along this line, but these are the books I have on hand. Enjoy!

Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus, Joseph Atwill, 2005.

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, Acharya S., 1999.

Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled, Acharya S., 2004.

Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy, Robert Hewitt Brown, www.kessinger.net

Symbols, Sex, and the Stars, Ernest Busenbark, 1997.

Jesus Was Caesar: On the Julian Origin of Christianity--An Investigative Report--Aspekt, Francesco Carotta, 2005.

The Secret Truth About Jesus: The Gospel & The Zodiac, Bill Darlison, 2007.

Jesus Christ: Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism, David Fideler, 1993.

Sex Worship: An Exposition of the Origin of Religion, Clifford Howard, 1898 and 1909.

Christianity Before Christ, John G. Jackson, 1985.

Lost Light: An Interpretation of Ancient Scriptures, Alvin Boyd Kuhn, 2007.

The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity, Hyam Maccoby, 1986.

Who Wrote the New Testament?: The Making of the Christian Myth, Burton L. Mack, 1989.

The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ: Separating Fact From Fiction or Natural Genesis and Typology of Equinoctial Christolatry, Gerald Massey, 1883. Republished 2000.

That Old-Time Religion: The Story of Religious Foundations, Jordan Maxwell, Paul Tice and Alan Snow with a Chapter by Gerald Massey, 2000.

Christianity: An Ancient Egyptian Religion, Ahmed Osman, 1998.

Mythic Past: Biblical Archeology and the Myth of Israel, Thomas L. Thompson, 1999.

A little light reading provide by medicine woman. After you get through these, we'll talk agaiin about the fictional jesus
In case you are unable to use the "search"feature
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=81660&highlight=medicine+woman"

 

[davewhite04]

M*W: You've asked for it. I've given it to you many times in the past, but here is the last time I will post a bibliography of biblical scholars and archeological researchers who deny the existence of Jesus. The bibliography includes the false pretenses of the gospels, the comparison of an historic Jesus to a mythological Jesus. This bibliography provides the history of the new testament and it's overall myth. There are many more titles along this line, but these are the books I have on hand. Enjoy!

Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus, Joseph Atwill, 2005.

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, Acharya S., 1999.

Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled, Acharya S., 2004.

Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy, Robert Hewitt Brown, www.kessinger.net

Symbols, Sex, and the Stars, Ernest Busenbark, 1997.

Jesus Was Caesar: On the Julian Origin of Christianity--An Investigative Report--Aspekt, Francesco Carotta, 2005.

The Secret Truth About Jesus: The Gospel & The Zodiac, Bill Darlison, 2007.

Jesus Christ: Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism, David Fideler, 1993.

Sex Worship: An Exposition of the Origin of Religion, Clifford Howard, 1898 and 1909.

Christianity Before Christ, John G. Jackson, 1985.

Lost Light: An Interpretation of Ancient Scriptures, Alvin Boyd Kuhn, 2007.

The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity, Hyam Maccoby, 1986.

Who Wrote the New Testament?: The Making of the Christian Myth, Burton L. Mack, 1989.

The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ: Separating Fact From Fiction or Natural Genesis and Typology of Equinoctial Christolatry, Gerald Massey, 1883. Republished 2000.

That Old-Time Religion: The Story of Religious Foundations, Jordan Maxwell, Paul Tice and Alan Snow with a Chapter by Gerald Massey, 2000.

Christianity: An Ancient Egyptian Religion, Ahmed Osman, 1998.

Mythic Past: Biblical Archeology and the Myth of Israel, Thomas L. Thompson, 1999.

A little light reading provide by medicine woman. After you get through these, we'll talk agaiin about the fictional jesus

Hmmm you want to believe he didn't exist so you hang on to theories by people who just wanted to make money by selling books.

Did you know that you can get a bible for free?

 

[snake river rufus]

Show me the verses.



I don't know where you are getting this from.

It's your bible, you claim it's the truth, you answer the question from each of the gospels
Like most atheists, I have read (and perhaps know better than you) the bible. I told you exactly where I was getting that from. Do you have a king James translation?

 

[davewhite04]

It's your bible, you claim it's the truth, you answer the question from each of the gospels
Like most atheists, I have read (and perhaps know better than you) the bible. I told you exactly where I was getting that from. Do you have a king James translation?

What questions?

Considering I have an internet connection I have all English translations.

 

[snake river rufus]

Hmmm you want to believe he didn't exist so you hang on to theories by people who just wanted to make money by selling books.

Did you know that you can get a bible for free?

A large amount of scolarship gives me no choice but to believe other wise..
The same scolarship that you asked for. The same scolarship that you will not investigate.
Why would I want another free bible- it's discredited as a source.

 

[davewhite04]

A large amount of scolarship gives me no choice but to believe other wise..
The same scolarship that you asked for. The same scolarship that you will not investigate.
Why would I want another free bible- it's discredited as a source.

Believe me, I have investigated.

You stick to your scholarship sources though.

 

[snake river rufus]

Show me the verses.

Again, see post 286. I've spelled it out very clearly several times now.

 

[davewhite04]

Give me the verses that you have problems with.

Specify the contradictions and you can win.

 

[snake river rufus]

Believe me, I have investigated.

You stick to your scholarship sources though.

But you left logic and reason at the door. I don't think too much of your investigation. Seems one sided, choose what you want to believe and twist (or ignore)facts to fit and when that still fails close your eyes, cover your ears, and chant "lalalala" loudly

 

[snake river rufus]

Give me the verses that you have problems with.

Specify the contradictions and you can win.

I have trouble with every verse in every book of the bible because it's a fable.
I specified one contradiction guess I win.

 

[davewhite04]

But you left logic and reason at the door. I don't think too much of your investigation. Seems one sided, choose what you want to believe and twist (or ignore)facts to fit and when that still fails close your eyes, cover your ears, and chant "lalalala" loudly

Quote the bible man, is that too hard?

What are you gloating over?

The fact that you said such and such without discussing anything?

Whatever, you still didn't answer what a lie detector is based on either...

 

[Myles]

A lie detector is based on the length of one's nose. See Pinocchio !

 

[snake river rufus]

Quote the bible man, is that too hard?

What are you gloating over?

The fact that you said such and such without discussing anything?

Whatever, you still didn't answer what a lie detector is based on either...

Quote the bible? why would I want to tell untruths? I'm not gloating, I do grow weary of repeating myself though. Is English a second language, is that your problem?
Heart rate and respiration, some are voice stress so perhaps my lungs or vocal chords can now also prove or disprove the existance of your god? Is that what you intend to claim now?
I'll try to spell todays question out for you.
How long was the fictional jesus on the cross?
Answer from matthew
Answer from mark
Answer from luke
Answer from john
And once again use King James version. Simple.