Jcarl,
By the same token you accept that there is nothing to show that god doesn't exist.
In the same way as there is nothing to support the non-existence of any imaginative fantasy that has no factual basis. Why chase dreams?
I was simply answering one of your questions with a question. You stated in one of your earlier posts that it is a hard truth that God does not exist.
No I didn’t. I’ll restate the statement again for you.
The hard truth is that the concept of God is only a human imaginative fantasy.
Unless you can show proof that a god exists then all you have is a fantasy. The only way to prove me wrong is to prove the existence of God.
To which I ask you: have you looked everywhere? Have you covered every inch of the universe and not found God? To say you have is quite an egotistical thing to say.
Good job I haven’t claimed that then. Your argument is very old and has been discussed here many times. Your attempt at a counterpoint is a desperate attempt to avoid admitting that your beliefs are no more than fantasies and that you are living a lie.
A "real" answer: to say that the universe as we know it was created by accident or chance with no divine intervention is like saying an explosion in an ink and paper factory produces the works of Shakespeare.
Then don’t claim such things. Why do you assume that the universe had a beginning? What evidence is there that at some point the universe didn’t exist and needed to be created. Until you can answer these questions then the need for a creator is redundant.
No carnal mind has the right or authority to draw up moral standards without some divine intervention.
Of course we do. Humans wrote the bible that many say has a good moral code that humans have been following for centuries. It has been so successful that some say it must have been inspired by a god. However, as we have already shown, God is only a fantasy.
No human being(not Hammurabi, not Moses, etc) could have implanted the consience that lies within us all, though some choose not to listen to it.
Most neuroscientists and psychologists would disagree with you. What makes you such an expert on the human brain that you can dismiss its functioning so easily? What is your proof that the brain isn’t the root of conscience? Isn’t the truth that we do not fully understand the human brain and when irrational and gullible ignorant people desperately want an answer they have always turned to superstition, just as you are doing now?
If evolution were as obvious as the scientific world would have you believed, then they would have realized it just as they did other things.
Now I understand that you live in a fantasy world, as you have demonstrated above, but you shouldn’t assume that everyone else does. Darwin wrote his book “the origin of species” based on colossal amounts of evidence, and he was a devout Christian before that time. And this tends to support my assertion that had those other earlier thinkers had access to the same data then perhaps they would have reached different conclusions to their own.
Many who had ideas contrary to popular belief would have written them down and probably would have had them published at the time of or after their death. Did these guys do that?
And risk them being discovered and then being tortured and/or ridiculed? But you seem to be giving these thinkers the power of hindsight; that they thought that the status quo might change. Most people write things for their own benefit not for generations to come. Your hypothetical is not credible.
Things like the inquisition, the Crusades, and the like occur when religion is taken out of context(find me one verse in the Bible that condones torture).
But the bible is so ambiguous in so many places that people genuinely and faithfully interpret it many ways. Why else would there be some 33,000 different cults and sects within Christianity? It is curious that a so-called God inspired book, designed to bring truth to mankind, should end up being the cause of so much confusion and chaos. The bible is perhaps the best evidence that it wasn’t inspired by a god.
That is so far wrong it's not even funny. Around his time, it was believed that good works(esp. giving money) could be used to buy your way to heaven. Luther came along and, citing scripture such as Rom. 4:4-5, said that it is by faith and grace the we are saved. That turned the church upside down. Also, Luther was the first one to translate the Bible into a Lamen's tongue, German. Why? So the people could read it for themselves and discover that they didn't need a priest to be the bridge betw. them and God, that their money giving didn't save them. You don't think that shook the church up a bit?
I agree and I’m not disputing that; he caused the Church to evolve, as I said. But you are missing the bigger picture since you are seeing everything from a narrow Christian perspective only. He still accepted the basic tenets of Christianity, the existence of a god and a savior, those things he never questioned. All he did essentially was cause Church doctrine to change.
How so? How is it more likely that we just poof and dissapear?
Because of the overwhelming evidence from billions of deaths that no one ever appears again once they are dead.
We all have two parts of us: our physical body and our soul/ mind.
You are asserting that as if it were true. It is only a fantasy. Can you prove otherwise?
Now matter can't just dissapear, it is just transformed to another form.
Close enough.
So our physical body returns to dust which leaves our soul.
A baseless assertion. Prove it.
It makes sense that it go to another place in another form.
Even if it existed, you still have a non sequitur. If it was dependent on the physical body, like a parasite then it might simply dissipate into the atmosphere. For an afterlife to have any sense then the soul must remain intact. So far, your analogy indicates that the soul would disintegrate just like a physical body, leaving nothing behind.
From a philosophical standpoint, don't you guys talk about the inequalties of life?
Relevance?
Wouldn't it seem fair that after this life, we all go a place where the wrongs of life are righted.
Who says life is fair?
So can you really avoid postulating the existence of a Heaven and a Hell?
Only if you choose fantasy over reality.
..oopps, sorry, atheroy.)