Because the Asian immigrants were selected from the educated, monied, entrepreneurial classes of their respective countries in the first place. In marked contrast to how Black Americans got here.
I don’t think what happed many generations ago, slavery included, has much relevance to the conditions of today because upward mobility was relatively easy in the US compared to Europe, especially after the civil war, even for blacks. (In fact, immediately after the civil war some blacks were made part of the government by the victorious Yankee “carpet baggers" as a way to punish the Southern repels. Some, but only a few, blacks took advantage of this upward mobility. For example:
“ Welcome to Tuskegee University- "the pride of
the swift, growing south." Founded in a one room shanty, near Butler Chapel AME Zion Church, thirty adults represented the first class - Dr. Booker T. Washington the first teacher. The founding date was July 4, 1881 …” Go here and see photo of first all black class students:
http://www.tuskegee.edu/about_us/history_and_mission.aspx (It will not copy or I would have posted it.)
When the Irish potato plight famine hit, it was the poorest Irish who came to the US, many were nearly illiterate farmers. Most stores in Boston seeking workers had signs in the window stating “Irish need not apply” yet a few generations later the Irish ran Boston, many were rich and the Kennedy money got one elected POTUS.
Most Chinese who came to the US in that and earlier eras were NOT educated; - They were imported to build the trans-continental railroads.
Near Malvern PA, where one of my daughters lives and where I pick blackberries with grandchild, along the rail road (they like to grow at edge of a woods but with sunlight) there is low stone wall around tiny square about 20 meters from the tracks with a metal sign telling about 25 Chinese are buried here. – They had worked for the rail road which claimed they died of typhoid. Strangely, only the Chinese did and just after the work was finished. Most believed they were killed, rather than paid, when no longer needed.
see also :
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSunBuxnC3vlT95xM-ZxcX8FZ8t-XxQYQKWk15K3F7G_Jwlv8UR but three images is sciform's limit
“ Building of the TranscontinentalRailroad: In 1862 ... these workers were unreliable: "Some would stay until pay day, get a little money, get drunk and clear out," a superintendent said. ...”
Does that sound like “educated, monied, entrepreneurial classes” ?
Where do you get the idea the idea that Chinese imported several generations ago as poorly paid labors were well educated from? Many were “wage salves” and not being valuable property were just killed when no longer needed. This is still reflected in the language:“A Chinaman’s chance.” Perhaps not used much anymore – you clearly have forgotten where the phrase came from !!
“...The Central Pacific's Chinese immigrant workers received just $26-$35 a month for a 12-hour day, 6-day work week and had to provide their own food and tents. White workers received about $35 a month and were furnished with food and shelter.
Incredibly, the Chinese immigrant workers saved as much as $20 a month which many eventually used to buy land. These workers quickly earned a reputation as tireless and extraordinarily reliable workers--"quiet, peaceable, patient, industrious, and economical." Within two years, 12,000 of the Central Pacific railroad's 13,500 employees were Chinese immigrants. …”
From:
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/historyonline/china1.cfm
No one has ever claimed what I made bold in the above quote about many black labors (then or NOW) is true. Thus, perhaps, as I said, the difference between Chinese success and Black failure is due to cultural differences? Most, but not all, of the Chinese had strong work ethic and willingness to endure even greater current misery as they have a very low discount rate of the future so saved to make it better for their children.
Dude, this is getting seriously offensive. You need to stop.
You need to get YOUR FACTS STRIGHT BEFORE YOU CRITIZIE ME for stating unpleasnt truths.
And I doubt very much that you could even demonstrate a higher propensity to save or work hard on the part of Asians, relative to Blacks, if you were to correct for income/wealth.
I just did – in photos and text, quoted from reputable sources. Again what is source of your claim most Chinese were “immigrants were selected from the educated, monied, entrepreneurial classes” ?
Instead of being “politically correct” I can speak the truth – I have earned that right as the tactical commander of the effort that opened Baltimore’s restaurants and movies to people of all colors.
Instead of looking inward to see if there is any cause to be found there for the current poor condition of many urban blacks, jwyatt123, does as many people do: He blames others:
Post 11: “Just as
they have saddled on us the name "negro"
they have also given us a religion that was made to enslave us and stop our progress.”
Post 27: “
they don't make us and build us up to walk ourselves,
They have to push us to get us out of the way.
Post 29: {whites} “stripping us of our name and our language”
Post 37: “What happens to a people who are systematically destroyed…?”
Post 52: “I don't really concern with your capitalist, exploitative economy anyway. “
Post 61: “White people will never go to black business to purchase service. And even if they do give us money, they know it will go right back to them.”
Post 66: “I want to send this program to students of Detroit. … they are of good spirit already. They have not been taught the devil's teaching; they are clean from the devil's teaching. …”
Don’t misunderstand me. jwyatt123 is sincere and concerned –wanting to help “his people” and I support him in that and certainly have in the past –Giving one whole summer with little else my concern - Neglecting my Ph.D. work as social justice seems more important to me. I knew I had the skills, the determination
AND the ruthlessness* and to make so much economic pain for Baltimore’s restaurants that their association would join us in asking the legislature to make discrimination illegal. They did by the end of that summer. Many restaurant owners/ managers understood that there was more profit to be had in the long run by serving all the public, but none could go first. We had to change the law.
Nothing was achieved by other leaders in the two prior summers except many lunch counters in department stores (a tiny fraction of their sales) were shut down (closed to all) by picket lines at the main entrance doors. Moral arguments got nothing done, but on a good Sunday at dinner time, in two hours, I could cost the restaurants >$25,000 in lost business with precisely timed sit ins simultaneous striking a couple of dozen restaurants. (The restaurant association had organized a telephone alert chain that got doors locked at most restaurants within a few minutes of the first sit in so in the prior summers few were subjected to disruptive sit ins. A waitress stood at the door to unlock it for white customers.)
...*I.e. willing to run whatever risks there were (little I think) in causing Baltimore restaurants to loss at least 1/3 of a million dollars, perhaps more than half a million dollars in one summer.
Money talks, but loses like that scream: "You got to change.!" (And they did.)
I want to give credit to dozens of rich girls, from then all girl Gaucher College. They supplied the cars (and the watches, which few blacks had) to move the masses of high school blacks to their target exactly on time. (Parking a block away to avoid early detection and waiting until "strike time.")
jwyatt123 is fully correct that the black community needs to be more self aware as a group and thus be more self supporting. IMHO, where he goes wrong is to think that implies only buying and selling within that community. I have explained why that that is
a prescription for failure in post 86, which begins with those very word in bold. He also, IMHO, needs to recognize that their culture needs to change. Their high discount rate of future benefits needs to be lowered so they save.
Jesse Jackson on economics: “Income is how much you make; wealth is how much you keep. Accumulating wealth-as distinct from just making a big income-is the key to financial independence.” AND:
"... Too many working poor people choose a bear lottery over the bull market. How come? Because the lottery is advertised all over-on the bus, on billboards, on TV. These people choose floating gambling boats over stable banks. … The scam artist plays on your greed, telling you, “Here’s how to get something for nothing.” ..."
Jesse Jackson to black males: “Your children need your presence more than your presents. ”
Nothing I have posted and you call “modern racism,” has not come out of Jesse Jackson’s mouth. I am a great admirer of Jesse and have been for years. His “poor people do work” speech is for me right up there with Martin L King’s Dream speech. – Perhaps better as it refutes the common white idea that blacks are lazy.
I know it true – The flight from Brazil to visit my daughter in Atlanta typically arrives at 6AM. After the Marta (subway) I take the bus to get close to her home. That bus is full with black ladies going to their jobs as maids in the rich suburb where my daughter lives. I am usually the only white on the bus that early and my daughter, like the employers of these maids, is sleeping still. It will be well after dark when these maids get home to their ghetto. Lazy! –my ass! Who picks up your trash? Takes the bed pans way in hospitals? Etc. Jesse mentions all that in his “Blacks do work” speech.
