What is the future for this people?

[milkbottle]

When the forefathers of my people were first brought to this nation, they had a NATIONALITY and a NAME but in order to separate them from the achievements of their fathers, a name was given to them which had no connection whatsoever with the founders of civilization.

We were nick named "negroes" and now you think our condition has changed just because they nick-name us a different name, african american?

If this is not an insult to the illustrious history of a nation there can never be one given. Just as they have saddled on us the name "negro" they have also given us a religion that was made to enslave us and stop our progress.

Hmm, such ignorance. All black slaves were sold by black slave traders! There was no civilization or achievements either. They didn't even discover the wheel or leave a written language. Ironically, many blacks are turning to islam whose original followers were enslaving blacks 100s of years before the whites.

The world has seen black progress in Zimbabwe, South Africa and closer to home in Jamaica and Haiti. Stoneage chaos!

 

[adoucette]

But under law we are not Americans. We are still slaves. Those who are recognized as Emancipated slaves have no freedom under law. They are still 3/5ths of a human being and are not citizens

Total BS jwyatt.

Under the law you are indeed American Citizens (Amendment 14, Section 1, and are no longer counted as 3/5ths based on Section 2).

Amendment 14 (Ratified July 9, 1868)

Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers counting the whole number of persons in each State


Thus the basis of your whole argument falls flat.
Grow up.

Arthur

 

[kx000]

Question: where do YOU see YOURSELF 10 years from now? 5? 2? 1? Tomorrow?

 

[adoucette]

Slaves were not robbed of a nation and given another nation,, no.

Few slaves came here from any NATION as only Kingdoms existed in the 1600s in Africa.

The institution of slavery existed in Africa long before the arrival of Europeans and was widespread at the period of economic contact. Private land ownership was largely absent from pre-colonial African societies

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/slav/hd_slav.htm

So yes, they were eventually given a nation and full rights as citizens of those nations.

They were robbed of a nationality and left without nationality.

So what?
You don't know where your ancestors come from?
Well BFD, guess what, many people don't.

It is a sin for any group of people to violate the national constitutional laws of a free national government and cling to the names and the principles that delude to slavery.

Except that wasn't what happened.
The African kings by and large sold the excess manpower for money.

The word Negro deludes in the Latin language to the word nigger;

No it doesn't, the Latin root is NIGER, for BLACK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger

 

[kx000]

Few slaves came here from any NATION as only Kingdoms existed in the 1600s in Africa.

They existed as free men, and slaves in their homeland, and they existed as slaves until this country was built now we are all slaves.

So what?
You don't know where your ancestors come from?
Well BFD, guess what, many people don't.

San Francisco>Wales/Genoa/Spain/
Wales>Rome>Egypt>Israel

No it doesn't, the Latin root is NIGER, for BLACK.

Wouldn't that be negro?

 

[jwyatt123]

Total BS jwyatt.

Under the law you are indeed American Citizens (Amendment 14, Section 1, and are no longer counted as 3/5ths based on Section 2).

Amendment 14 (Ratified July 9, 1868)

Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers counting the whole number of persons in each State


Thus the basis of your whole argument falls flat.
Grow up.

Arthur

Sir:

The Black Slaves prior to the conclusion of the civil war were property. Then they were recognized as so called "persons"

Slavery = Involuntary Servitude

14th Amendment = Voluntary Servitude


There is no such thing as a 14th amendment citizen. in the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, before the AMENDMENTS there is mention of a CITIZEN, but there is no LEGAL DEFINITION OF A CITIZEN.

thus wehn the NORTH (UNION) defeated the SOUTH (CONFEDERACY), the SOUTH came under the CONSTITUTION, but still did not want to recognize the EX-SLAVES as CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, so an arguement between them ensued.

All in all,,...

A 'person' is a corporation owned by the UNITED STATES corporation.

14th and 15th AMENDMENTS are not for our SALVATION, but to bring the SOUTH back into power (through the political body called the U.S.A.) under the CONSTITUTION.



WE HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY!!

 

[jwyatt123]

The easiest way would be to get a good education, abandon the inncr city culture, and adopt an American culture that has demonstrated success in the areas of life that you are most interested in (ex. the Silicon Valley nerd culture in California).

I don't care about myself.

The mere fact that you asked the question shows part of the problem with the inner city culture. You are expecting the U.S. to push you someplace rather than taking control of your desires and life choices.

If we are dead, then they don't make us and build us up to walk ourselves, THey have to push us to get us out of the way.

Where are they going to push us next if we do not wake up?

A much better question is what do you think about it?

It does not matter what I think about it. If something is in motion, it has to go somewhere.

I ask those with clairvoyance, where will this people go?

 

[jwyatt123]

jwyatt:

After reading all of this posting . . . it seems to me that you are perpetuating a racist point-of-view . . . . Advice: get with the society. . . change it, if you like . . . . and respect/enjoy your heiritage!!

It is very natural for a group to practice group economics among their own people. The Orientals and the Arabs buy, sell and trade among their own people in America. They market to their own people. And because they primarily stay amongst their own people they have more strength. They are survivable because of it.

Again I'm stressing it is very natural to be among your own group. It is how you survive as a people.

I am not racist. I do not do evil to another people on account of my people.

Now,,, I am asking what happens when a people do not stick together and do things under their own national standards?

 

[jwyatt123]

Hmm, such ignorance. All black slaves were sold by black slave traders! There was no civilization or achievements either. They didn't even discover the wheel or leave a written language. Ironically, many blacks are turning to islam whose original followers were enslaving blacks 100s of years before the whites.

The world has seen black progress in Zimbabwe, South Africa and closer to home in Jamaica and Haiti. Stoneage chaos!

What does that have to do with stripping us of our name and our language?

 

[Crunchy Cat]

I don't care about myself.

Self-apathy will prevent you from affecting any kind of change and relating to anything. It's a symptom of depression.

If we are dead, then they don't make us and build us up to walk ourselves, THey have to push us to get us out of the way.

Don't rely on *them*. Build yourself up.

Where are they going to push us next if we do not wake up?

Wherever you let *them*.

I ask those with clairvoyance, where will this people go?

Clairvoyance doesn't exist. *Those* people will go wherever they choose to be led or choose to walk.

 

[jwyatt123]

Self-apathy will prevent you from affecting any kind of change and relating to anything. It's a symptom of depression.



Don't rely on *them*. Build yourself up.



Wherever you let *them*.



Clairvoyance doesn't exist. *Those* people will go wherever they choose to be led or choose to walk.

What I mean by not caring about my self is that I am more concerned with the movement of my people. please don't make mockery.

I came to this forum for some good economical and business like minds from people who know nothing of black struggle. I don't even know why I 'm wasting my time. You can't reform the European, arrogant, analytical mind I guess....

You have to understand that an unproductive people is in your midst. They do not have choices since they don't have businesses, they do not produce product to trade, nor do they produce work for themselves. So "its their choice",, no. Its not. And I know the government knows where these people are going.

Btw I don't "rely" on anyone. I am concerned with the movement of a people.

Please understand that it is truth to say that Black people are economically dead.

 

[wlminex]

JWyatt . . . Get Over IT! . . . .you are an AMERICAN (I presume!) . . . act like one!

 

[Crunchy Cat]

What I mean by not caring about my self is that I am more concerned with the movement of my people. please don't make mockery.

Your people? It's a bad start when you have already constructed "us" and "them".

I came to this forum for some good economical and business like minds from people who know nothing of black struggle. I don't even know why I 'm wasting my time. You can't reform the European, arrogant, analytical mind I guess....

Why would you be trying to reform "European, arrogant, analytical minds?". That message sounds like, "I have a problem and I want to change you to solve it.".

You have to understand that an unproductive people is in your midst. They do not have choices since they don't have businesses, they do not produce product to trade, nor do they produce work for themselves. So "its their choice",, no. Its not. And I know the government knows where these people are going.

*They* have the choice to learn, they have a choice to want, they have the choice to think.

Btw I don't "rely" on anyone. I am concerned with the movement of a people.

I can see that, but being concerned about something won't cause anything different to happen. A culture correction/replacement, education, training are all part of fixing the problem.

Please understand that it is truth to say that Black people are economically dead.

It's not black people (there are many successful ones), its the low socio-economic black people of the inner city culture.

 

[jwyatt123]

Your people? It's a bad start when you have already constructed "us" and "them".



Why would you be trying to reform "European, arrogant, analytical minds?". That message sounds like, "I have a problem and I want to change you to solve it.".



*They* have the choice to learn, they have a choice to want, they have the choice to think.



I can see that, but being concerned about something won't cause anything different to happen. A culture correction/replacement, education, training are all part of fixing the problem.



It's not black people (there are many successful ones), its the low socio-economic black people of the inner city culture.

"its a bad start..."

I use "us" and "them" interchangebly. I am talking about the same people. I say "us" because I know "us" but others may not know "us". So for those that do not know "us" I use the term "them". They are the same people, don't be confused

I don't try to reform your mind. But it is very hard for you to humble yourself to understanding for some reason. ( and I don't mean that in a way that I want you to change yourself, I just want you to understand and I say this with all humbleness, and with all sincerity, I don't want a fight or to throw personal attacks which are physical, mundane and empty. )

"wont cause anything to happen..."

The whole point of this thread is to economically look at the progress of Black people as a GROUP. I am not looking to change things just yet. I just want to understand where they are going . And I need you to understand the condition of a people who have no businesses among themselves, and a people, a GROUP, whose money leaves their communities instead of circulating within their community..

And when I am talking of a people ( no matter what people I speak of ), you as an economist, or whatever you are, should ask yourself: "What people in history is that of the likeness of a people (the negroes) in modern time that I can compare to and recollect their past and judge their future, based upon the nature of economics and the actions of that people? you should ask that.

You should take into consideration, time and what happens over time ( when thinking economically ). do you understand?

"A culture correction..."

YES, this is what I am talking about. Now if we can talk culture enlightement from now on this can work... You said CULTURE correction. This is what I mean by a GROUP. I am speaking in GROUP terms.

"It's not black people (there are many successful ones), its the low socio-economic black people of the inner city culture."

EXACTLY, I hope you are thinking the same way I am thinking. I do not concern with individuals who are not group minded. I am speaking of group status. None other. There may be a couple black individuals who do things, but if it is not for the good of the greater then it does not necessarily mean success, ( not that it doesn't ).



AGAIN, please understand that I want to understand the state of the black group in an economical view. I want to understand the economics of a spoiled people. Economics is a science. I ask you. If you know this science please teach me this science (that permeates whether we like it or not.) And if I am wrong, please teach me so that I may understand. Don't throw darts. That will put up a mental block in anybody. Can we argue in a beautiful manner? Please?

 

[soheli-xxx]

nice, thank u all

 

[cosmictraveler]

But under law we are not Americans. We are still slaves. Those who are recognized as Emancipated slaves have no freedom under law. They are still 3/5ths of a human being and are not citizens

You sound like a racist with a statement like this because it isn't true in todays world and you know it isn't. Why are you trying to create hate here?

 

[jwyatt123]

You sound like a racist with a statement like this because it isn't true in todays world and you know it isn't. Why are you trying to create hate here?

I am sorry you find my statement disagreeable. I mean no harm and I only want peace.

I will retract my statement if you like, as this was wrong to seed your mind with the wrong revelation. If this has created negativity and is mentally blocking you from the purpose of this thread then I will have no more talk of it again. And I will only send words that are clean in spirit that you may think a little more clear on the topic in this thread.

The topic of this thread is to look economically what happens over time concerning the actions of a people ( economically ), and then using your mind's eye to predict the future of a people ( but I need sound right reasoning from beautiful minds such as yours ).


Thinking economically from a business stand point, may you please turn your mind to the question:

What happens to a people who are systematically destroyed when they produce no work among themselves, and a people, a group, whose money leaves their communities and not circulates ( which strengthens their communities )?

 

[adoucette]

Sir:

The Black Slaves prior to the conclusion of the civil war were property. Then they were recognized as so called "persons"

Slavery = Involuntary Servitude

14th Amendment = Voluntary Servitude


There is no such thing as a 14th amendment citizen. in the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, before the AMENDMENTS there is mention of a CITIZEN, but there is no LEGAL DEFINITION OF A CITIZEN.

thus wehn the NORTH (UNION) defeated the SOUTH (CONFEDERACY), the SOUTH came under the CONSTITUTION, but still did not want to recognize the EX-SLAVES as CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, so an arguement between them ensued.

All in all,,...

A 'person' is a corporation owned by the UNITED STATES corporation.

14th and 15th AMENDMENTS are not for our SALVATION, but to bring the SOUTH back into power (through the political body called the U.S.A.) under the CONSTITUTION.



WE HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY!!

Wyatt, the Amendments change the Constitution.

So the 14th amendment, changed the Constitution and it states what it takes to be a Citizen of the US quite clearly:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So if you were born here, you are a CITIZEN.

A 'person' is a corporation owned by the UNITED STATES corporation

No a person is not a corporation and the US is not a corporation.
Statements like that make it appear that you are delusional.

Arthur

 

[jwyatt123]

Yeah,, everyone has all of this mundane knowledge on America's economy, but when we talk group economics, people don't want to teach me their knowledge

smh..


You people take too much time in a nation that is going to fall ...


And I'm talking to you Crunchy Cat,, I showed you that I am humble and you do not want to help me/ and "cosmictraveler", you all don't want to pay me mind after I gave you my righteous heart. pathetic...

 

[Crunchy Cat]

"its a bad start..."

I use "us" and "them" interchangebly. I am talking about the same people. I say "us" because I know "us" but others may not know "us". So for those that do not know "us" I use the term "them". They are the same people, don't be confused

That really didn't change anything about what I stated.

I don't try to reform your mind. But it is very hard for you to humble yourself to understanding for some reason. ( and I don't mean that in a way that I want you to change yourself, I just want you to understand and I say this with all humbleness, and with all sincerity, I don't want a fight or to throw personal attacks which are physical, mundane and empty. )

But in your previous post to me you stated that you are finding it difficult to reform my mind... which is in contradiction to what you are saying now. Additionally comprehension (i.e. understanding) and emotional state (i.e. feeling hubmle) are no dependent on each other as you are implying. At best it's a dishonest tactic to try and get someone to accept something about what you are saying as truth.

"wont cause anything to happen..."

The whole point of this thread is to economically look at the progress of Black people as a GROUP. I am not looking to change things just yet. I just want to understand where they are going . And I need you to understand the condition of a people who have no businesses among themselves, and a people, a GROUP, whose money leaves their communities instead of circulating within their community..

I don't see the value in looking at black people as a group because they vary in socioeconomics / culture. The segment of black people who aren't faring well are of the inner-city culture and everything you are talking about tells me that is what you are really focusing on.

And when I am talking of a people ( no matter what people I speak of ), you as an economist, or whatever you are, should ask yourself: "What people in history is that of the likeness of a people (the negroes) in modern time that I can compare to and recollect their past and judge their future, based upon the nature of economics and the actions of that people? you should ask that.

You should take into consideration, time and what happens over time ( when thinking economically ). do you understand?

I think the closest comparison would be any group of people with poor socioeconomics. I am not sure that an exact comparison is possible because the inner city culture appears to be quite unique. In general, bad socioeconomics prompt individuals to change their situation or remain in it. In many historical situations, the barriers to change were external (usually enforced by people from better socioeconomic status). With the inner-city culture, the barriers to change appear to be largely internal. I have friends who got out of the inner city life and they made it clear that there "was no white man holding them back", it was only themselves.

"A culture correction..."

YES, this is what I am talking about. Now if we can talk culture enlightement from now on this can work... You said CULTURE correction. This is what I mean by a GROUP. I am speaking in GROUP terms.

The group you are focusing on should be clearly defined because "black people" alone doesn't seem to cut it.

"It's not black people (there are many successful ones), its the low socio-economic black people of the inner city culture."

EXACTLY, I hope you are thinking the same way I am thinking. I do not concern with individuals who are not group minded. I am speaking of group status. None other. There may be a couple black individuals who do things, but if it is not for the good of the greater then it does not necessarily mean success, ( not that it doesn't ).

My response is the same as above.

AGAIN, please understand that I want to understand the state of the black group in an economical view. I want to understand the economics of a spoiled people. Economics is a science. I ask you. If you know this science please teach me this science (that permeates whether we like it or not.) And if I am wrong, please teach me so that I may understand. Don't throw darts. That will put up a mental block in anybody. Can we argue in a beautiful manner? Please?

Part of my response is the same as above. I would not call the inner-city black spoiled... in fact I am not sure why you are using that word to describe them but it reeks of some deep bias. If you have come to a science site to gain an education in economics then you have definitely come to the wrong place. The reason is that there is no way that any person online can impart years of scholastic and professional education. It's a very unreasonable request. You can however, go to school and learn about economics. Colleges have guidance counselors who can help you create a path of education that matches your interests in economics.