As there is no way to scientifically verify proof or not,
arguing inevitably becomes personal opinions.
jan.
What does religion DO?
- Thread starter Bishadi
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As there is no way to scientifically verify proof or not,
arguing inevitably becomes personal opinions.
jan.
1. it answers Bishadi query.
2. it depends on how you see religion. Seen the way put forward
by me, it is not nonsense.
3. Why is it nonsense?
jan.
So what about the negative actions of those who are not religious,
or whose actions were not fuelled by religion?
Is there a difference?
jan.
Yes exactly both are suffering from a psychosis of a sort I have said it before Religion and or God's or godess' what every they are were invented to bring comfort to the sick dieing and elderly. All so latter it was developed into a way to calm the mass' that were suffering from plagues and disease, the power that beinf of the time usally the church had to explain to people why they were dropping like flies and they invented this problem known as religion. So in sort I agree with other posters that it is a form of mind control and is not good for any real practical purpose other then that.
Grim_Reaper,
Who invented them, and, how did you gain possession of this knowledge??
jan.
Who invented them, and, how did you gain possession of this knowledge??
jan.
A supposition isn't an answer.
Making up your own definitions isn't particularly valid.
Claiming "Every sober human being becomes religious" is a fallacy.
Er, WORSHIP Darwin?
Hardly. The guy means no more to me than, say, Feynman.
You made a false and gross generalisation. I wouldn't be surprised if there were atheists who'd never heard of Darwin. let worship him.
Man invented them and I gained this knowledge by observing what the "OTHERS" had to say they could not backup there claims with proof. So I concluded with a clear logical mind that what they were suffering from was a delusion created to give comfort.
that is life.
the energy upon mass (light) (i agree, the light is the spirit of life; they (religions) all said practically the same thing) (even jesus said take up your cross: light (electric and magnetic fields in perpendicular planes is a damn cross)
ie... the actions your body imposes upon existence, continues in time.
but the idea that you 'soul' is some entity that takes your memories to some utter place, is foolish (ie... ask any alzheimers patient, they often have to meet their own kids each new day; memories are held within the body and stay with the body)
or clearly "material reality"
you submit to mother nature. You eat from her, you breath from her, you will return to her. He is a she (a reversal of beliefs per se)
ie.... mother nature (existence itself) could be your god. And i agree, being responsible to mother nature is the curse; people like you could care less, and want their cars, no matter what it does to mom or dad (mother nature/God)
not to mention many lie thru their teeth and feel no one can touch them but fail to realize, what you do, is your after life (where you will live, after you return to mom)
what 10? Of OT>..... jesus said 6
Mark 10:17 And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'
18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;
19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother
he said be responsible for your actions......... the metaphor are the unopened 'seals' and to define them, know the truth WALKS
You can believe what you like, you just can't lie to tell what you don't understand (that is the command) (no false witness)
ONLY nature? Are you discounting GOD? ie.. you will submit to 'nature' whether you like it or not.
i honor mother nature as existence itself (all mass, all energy, all time; as ONE (the trinity)
them three as ONE is GOD (to me) and the process of how them 'three' work is the name (universal to all existence)
unless you comes to terms with the CLEAR FACT that ALL WORDS are the CREATION of mankind, you will not comprehend that ALL RELIGION is the creation of MANKIND.
is that a clear point?
that is a poster ready statement.
no it aint..... ie.. the indigenous did far better without the BS of beliefs, for a lot longer than any western system, even existed.
all mankind wants to live, and since few systems of knowledge offer the clear understanding of what LIFE is, many regress to beliefs to fill in the holes.
but the best across the globe is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
compassion rules (not beliefs, fear, lies and corruption)
you a sick puppy
no one is greater than another
we all equal
and darwin will and does live in the minds of all of us. Don't mean he is a saint, pope or some thing people sacrifice lambs too.
religions maintain rituals of some sort, reality requires NONE
that homage and bowing you like to some god on a thrown is about as pagen as greeks creating a zeus with lightneing bolts in his hand.
to isolate yourself 'from the garden' is being 'away from GOD'
see the difference?
Dywyddyr,
But never the less, it does define 'spirit', so it is answer.
If you can prove that it is not so, then step up.
What makes the definition put forward by you any more valid?
That's your opinion, based on your prefered definitions.
I'm of a different oppinion.
It doesn't matter.
If there is a day set aside for rememberance of Darwin, then that is a form
of worship.
jan.
But never the less, it does define 'spirit', so it is answer.
If you can prove that it is not so, then step up.
What makes the definition put forward by you any more valid?
That's your opinion, based on your prefered definitions.
I'm of a different oppinion.
It doesn't matter.
If there is a day set aside for rememberance of Darwin, then that is a form
of worship.
jan.
I understand that it is a difficult question to answer.
Which man invented religion, scriptures, religious philosophy, sacred building specs, and so on?
What claims are you specifically refering to?
And what would you expect to occurr if the claims were true?
Are you seriously claiming that everyone who has a belief in God
is delusional?
And therefore the only sane people on the planet are atheist?
jan.
i be your huckleberry.
got the name in (on) my head
so what is halloween? what is saint 'whatevers' day?
jan, you beyond funny because you lost to belief, rather than allowing compassion and understanding to be the scope of your choice (humility).
you like to maintain adherance to men (beliefs) versus your conscious requisite to truth (you lie to yourself and know it)
boy will you have a rude awakening
and i would suggest, when the poop hits the fan, you be very very quiet as the children will not be nice to liars
first to last, last to first (you may tink you in line, but no gate will be opened for a person who maintains the 'false witnessing')
bet you never thought you'd be judged, directly
i dunno,
ted haggard made up stuff
but if you asking who created the old scriptures? Heck, Moses learned his from the Pharoah (he was raised in pharoahs house since a new born (per bible) so all the abrahamic beliefs are based on egypts library of knowledge)
i believe kig tut was the brother or counterpart of smenkhkare (moses)
akenaton was the pharoah to begin the single god centralization and tut tried to return egypt to the multiple and that counterpart may have been MOSES who took a portion of the people and left
jan, evolve.............. as you can't win
perhaps buy a picture of darwin and roast a turkey this weak and offer your homage to a man who lived much of his life, just seeking truth.
then perhaps you can evolve too
Not really it is just hard for the delusional people to fathom
I have no Idea and I suspect neither do you it is all guess work that is like asking what was the first name uttered from any language there are no real records to prove who was the first person to become delusional they were sketchy on the medical records back then just as they were for the birth records.
All claims of religion about the after life and the God's coming and saying hay how you doing and well it is ok to kill them people cause they don't like me anyway. The older I get the more religion looks like a criminal enterprise to me.
Are you seriously claiming that everyone who has a belief in God
is delusional?
And therefore the only sane people on the planet are atheist?
jan.
Yes that about sums it up yes.
Bishadi,
I mentioned nothing about memories.
If there is a mother, then there must be a Father.
See....honour mummy and DADDY.
Daddy being the boss.
And nature will submit to God whether she likes it or not.
But I have a feeling she likes it.
How do you know that ALL words were created by man?
I won't bother ask about religion because I'm almost certain
you haven't got an answer. And GrimReaper has this impossible task to complete.
What indigenous?
The Barbarians?
woof! woof!
poppycock.
Some more equal than others.
He doesn't live in my mind.
But if we have a day designated to him, then I will
have no choice but to think about him.
Rituals are established forms of behaviour.
We all maintain rituals of some sort.
But maybe you don't, as your reality is different, or
could not maintaning rituals, be a ritual in and of itself.
jan.
I mentioned nothing about memories.
If there is a mother, then there must be a Father.
See....honour mummy and DADDY.
Daddy being the boss.
And nature will submit to God whether she likes it or not.
But I have a feeling she likes it.
How do you know that ALL words were created by man?
I won't bother ask about religion because I'm almost certain
you haven't got an answer. And GrimReaper has this impossible task to complete.
What indigenous?
The Barbarians?
woof! woof!
poppycock.
Some more equal than others.
He doesn't live in my mind.
But if we have a day designated to him, then I will
have no choice but to think about him.
Rituals are established forms of behaviour.
We all maintain rituals of some sort.
But maybe you don't, as your reality is different, or
could not maintaning rituals, be a ritual in and of itself.
jan.
I wouldn't worship Darwin, much like you wouldn't
worship Jesus on Christmas day, but it is still an
act of worship by those who commisioned the day.
That is what I meant.
jan.
Bishadi,
Why don't you answer properly?
You make these positive claims, as though
they're grounded in fact and truth. Yet fall
short of delivering an answer, let alone a satisfactory one.
The Godless religion marches on!
jan.
Why don't you answer properly?
You make these positive claims, as though
they're grounded in fact and truth. Yet fall
short of delivering an answer, let alone a satisfactory one.
The Godless religion marches on!
jan.
Grim_Reaper,
That's okay GR, I get where you're comming from.
Thanks for the insight.
jan.
That's okay GR, I get where you're comming from.
Thanks for the insight.
jan.
... And if these persons aren't being trusted, it's all quite useless eventually.
The upside of anumana is that one can use it as the topmost pramana and get at least some measure of peace and satisfaction from it even when communicating with people whom one does not trust (either when one doesn't know whether they are worthy of trust, or when has proof that they are not trustworthy). Even an enemy can speak logically and make a good point.
The downside of using anumana as the topmost pramana is that it is endless, doesn't lead to (much relevant) action, and furthers associating with people whom one does not trust and who don't trust one.
People generally are not happy with people whom they do not trust.
You really should learn the difference between
1) honouring and worship and
2) some atheists and [/i]all[/i] atheists.
Atheists do NOT "worship" Darwin.
Is Remembrance Day (11th November) a day of "worship"?
How many people "commissioned" Darwin Day?