You may be surprised to know this but it was from the Saudis that I learned that the Hadiths have rules and isnad.
Virgins anyone???
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You may be surprised to know this but it was from the Saudis that I learned that the Hadiths have rules and isnad.
So I thought the whole wahabi brand didn't appeal to your taste?You may be surprised to know this but it was from the Saudis that I learned that the Hadiths have rules and isnad.
Whats Wahabi about checking the chain of narration?
Tirmidhi's understanding of the Gharib Hadith (weak tradition), concurs to a certain extent with that of the other traditionists.
http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/tirmidhi04.html
From what I know, alot of Saudis from the Western region follow a madhab, usually Shafii or Hanafi and Saudis from the Eastern region are either Sh'ias, Shafiis or Hanafis...but Saudi Arabia is officially Salafi (they don't follow a madhab, although Salafism is based on the Hanbali madhab).
And again, what does that have to do with isnad?
You tell me you brought it up!
I'm not familiar with this terminology but if it's something to do with internal consistency of the hadiths, then you shouldn't be looking at it from a wahabi perspective...
So you blame Israel for trying to defend itself against Palestinian attacks. I blame the Palestinians. If they weren't constantly sending suicide bombers into Israel, they wouldn't need the wall.
So long as Palestinians support terrorism, they deserve whatever they get.
I presume if China occupies the US, you will hail them with flowers for fear of being thought a terrorist supporter.
I'd fight the invaders. Attack their command and control. Attack their officials. Attack their weapons depots. I sure as hell wouldn't go on a campaign of killing women and children.
And if you can't? If the military targets you're suggesting as so well defended that such an attack is impossible?
I'm as disgusted by attacks on civilians as you are. I'm just wondering what the next step would be for you in this hypothetical.
If you're willing to die yourself (which suicide bombers obviously are), there is no amount of defense that can prevent you from doing major damage. Even the president isn't really safe from someone willing to trade their life for his.
So I really can't imagine a situation in which I'd believe it was justified to blow up buses full of children or randomly set off bombs in public places. Go after the enemy, not women and children.
Now that we've had our fun, here is my more serious question. It seems that in Paradise, one has virgins (possibly of either sex) to have fun with to your heart's content.
Why is it that behavior in this life that is considered sinful, no longer sinful in the afterlife?
Why is it that the afterlife appeals to materialistic concerns and pleasures of the flesh?
And just who are these virgins? Are they other people who have died? Or are they Jinn or some other spirit beings? And why would they want to have sex with you? Don't they have their own minds? Their own needs, wants?
Why is it that behavior in this life that is considered sinful, no longer sinful in the afterlife?
Why is it that the afterlife appeals to materialistic concerns and pleasures of the flesh?
And just who are these virgins? Are they other people who have died? Or are they Jinn or some other spirit beings? And why would they want to have sex with you? Don't they have their own minds? Their own needs, wants?
Source? Did you put this together yourself?
The early Muslims conquered the entire Arabian Peninsula, later much of the Middle-East as well as Northern Africa. They would have had access to 'beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth', they had access to it all. Why would Muhammad (pbuh) have promised such things to them in the afterlife when he could have promised them such things in this life? Anyway, that accusation is baseless. Many early Muslims abandoned the Worldy life (pursuit of riches) when they joined Muhammad (pbuh) in his struggle (and it was a real struggle). Abu Bakr (The Prophet's closest Companion) gave all his riches for Islam, he left nothing for himself and Abu Bakr was a well respected person in Makkah. The Prophet as well as many of his Companions lived a life of hardship - this must be emphasised.
Was the battle for Makkah about sex, slaves and booty, what about the battle of Badr? Uhud? The most momentous and important battles for the Muslims had nothing to do with sex, slaves and booty, they were about survival! When the Muslims gathered strength, the battles were about propelling Islam and bringing an end to the current system of governance.
The rest of the paragraph is baseless nonsense.
Does Islam condone homosexuality? Please provide evidence.
Context?
Addressed earlier.
So you're telling me Islam allows Muslims to commit murder, rape, plunder and loot? evidence please.
You clearly know very little about Islam or are being intentionally deceptive.
Islam does promise rewards for the faithful i.e. rewards for all good deeds done in this life. However you fail to understand the core of Islamic teachings. Muslims believe that the zenith of belief and faith is when one lives to please God - for the sake of God, not for the sake of rewards.
The purity of the intention for an action is also extremely important. Let’s take charity as an example. In Islam it is an obligation for someone earning to give a certain amount in charity - giving in charity is a rewardable deed. Let’s say some rich so and so makes a very public donation to a charity, however this guy’s actions were actually a PR stunt, he simply wanted people to think well of him – he was not motivated to alleviate the suffering of others, his intention was not sincere. His action will not be equal to that of a poor person with a sincere intention who can only afford to give a small amount to charity – they are not equal in rank. The Prophet taught us that actions are judged by intention and we believe God is fully aware of our intention.
Islamic scholars particularly Sufis regard the rewards promised in heaven to be distractions and actually consider them tests. They can compromise our intention. The Muslim freedom fighter can be used as another example. A Mujahid goes to fight in order to alleviate the suffering of others (a duty), they go to help other people in need, they go to fight the aggressor, they don’t go to fight just so they can receive x, y and z in the afterlife.
Well, do you get the 72 virgins for martyrdom or not? And if women commit martyrdom do they get 72 virgins too? How does that work?
well I dont believe in heaven or hell to begin with