This is too much to bear anymore!!!
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Semantics regarding which words to use to describe this outrage is pointless.
This is speculation. The issue in question is the Palestinians, Gaza in particular and the slaughter that is and has taken place. A concise description of the situation in a Western publication (for a change):
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/08/gaza-israel-hamas-us)
Why do you think a people that had suffered grotesque injustice would if they gained control, take revenge by committing genocide upon the perpetrators? Because they are Muslim? Arab? This is what the Western media would have you believe.
The above thinking is disturbing to say the least. Since when is being a member of a democratically elected party a crime punishable by death? And the fact is, of the more that 700 fatalities (and rising), the vast majority are civilians, and a FULL THIRD are woman and children.
genocide of course, so that they can get the rest of the land held by the "barbarians"
Far more efficient ways to kill Palestinians, as is the Israel have been doing a very bad job as the Palestine population is growing by a million per decade.
why exactly do you think the world should take no action against them?
"Oh they just want to commit genocide"
"then we should let them get on with it"
"who are they again?"
"oh just the nazis"
Ethnic cleansing.
The objectives are being met via imprisonment, starvation, disease, assassination and your general or garden variety of slaughter. Much like what occurs in a ghetto. Oh, and there is talk of oil and gas off the Gaza coast.
Ethnic cleansing.
Oh, and there is talk of oil and gas off the Gaza coast.
Again if that was so the Palistians would not the breeding like mad. Israel objective in this offensive is to squash hamas, civilian casualties are expected for an offensive again people that hid in a civilian population, that fire rockets from school grounds, the launch morters from the back of a truck as it moves about a neighborhood.
Hey Buffalo,
i hope all is going ok with you
pls elaborate Bufflao, i cant seem to make a connection between the mumbai attrocity and what i psoted
with all 1.5million people going down too???
its that what you are infering fedr??????
if so,,, you are genocidal promoting cunt, if not pls elaborate
Buffalo Roam
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PBWY Zak
The news media was covering every thing that was going on during the operations to secure Mumbai, they had a live feed showing the operation to rescue the people in the Jewish Center as it was happening.
The Controllers of the Terrorist were watching the operation as it happened on TV, and were feeding information to the Terrorist in the Jewish Center about what was being done to rescue the People inside of the Center.
The Terrorist then murdered all of the people in center when they were told that the Indian Commandos roped down to the roof of the Jewish Center.
The news coverage was being used as a intelligence source to direct the Terrorist Operation as it was in progress.
Buffalo Roam
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genocide of course, so that they can get the rest of the land held by the "barbarians"
Yes, Asguard, such insight,
We all tremble before the searing brilliance of your erudite logic. :shrug:
Ok I see buffalo, thanks for taking the time to explain it for me.
As for the Gaza attacks i dont think that is the reason why Israel is not alllowing international journalists. Journalists can not be all aorund the israelis poistions and in gaza at the same time!! With Mumbai it was a few isolated areas..
Israel has used media blackouts before, one would interpret this as they dont want the international comunity to see what is going on... IMO of course
Buffalo Roam
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Zak, it is amazing what type of intelligence can be gathered from the back ground view of a report on TV.
And when have reporters ever been able to keep their mouths shut, if they see it they report it, just as they did in Mumbi, and the moment the commandos roping down was shown on the TV, the order was transmitted by cell phone to kill the hostages, no chance for the rescue to succeed.
Okay. But this is not genocide. Needless to say, I think Israel should back off of the West Bank. But will this result in the cessation of hostilities? Of course not. So I reiterate: what would? Let's say Israel leaves Gaza alone; for their part, the Egyptians either keep their own blockade in effect or don't, whichever, since they aren't criticized by Arab sources (one wonders why
). Now what? Will the rockets stop? Yes or no? When would they stop?No idea what you mean. My point was that the media tend to ignore the fact that most of the casualties are Hamas, not civilians...and you seem to be doing the same.
Maybe you should call Hamas and tell them that this isn't a good strategy? And again: whose fault is it when parents usher their children into "martyrdom"?
genocide of course, so that they can get the rest of the land held by the "barbarians"
Funnily enough, this is Hamas' actual plan.
It certainly isn't. When one side describes the fighting as a "genocide", it carries a specific and powerful meaning. It behooves us to understand whether or not the events really fit that picture.
Is it? Hamas doesn't seem to think so. That's why they use civilians as human shields.
Actually, that's pretty much Hamas' charter. The same genocidal bent towards Jews was taken by rhetoric in 1947 and 1948. Perhaps the Jews have learned not to ignore such rhetoric.
I quite agree. Why does Hamas want civilian casualties? Why do they approve so strongly of the use of civilians as human shields? And why does no one challenge them on this? Collective guilt? Fear of the accusation of "racism" or somesuch? Antisemitism? Who knows? But I agree completely that it's very disturbing. It suggests an inherent lack of respect for human life, and especially innocent life. I would suggest that this is a group that ought not - not unlike fascists or Nazis - not be in power anywhere at any time.
?? I'm sorry, I'm not sure you understand the point here. Hamas is the government of Palestine, whatever their particular political-religious bent. One couldn't call 9/11, for example, an "anti-Republican" attack, if you follow me.
Did you have a link for this?
Cheers,
Geoff
And, since we're doing propaganda and all:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/01/rare-video-hama.html
Be sure to view before you dismiss. Blessed is not the shirker.
Have a nice Friday.
Geoff
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/01/rare-video-hama.html
Be sure to view before you dismiss. Blessed is not the shirker.
Have a nice Friday.
Geoff
It's nice to be thought of, I suppose, but this isn't exactly my desired outcome regarding Israel and Palestine. In parallel, should I post pics of Israelis killed by rockets? What would this prove?
Anyway: did you have any questions about the articles/links I posted?
Anyway: did you have any questions about the articles/links I posted?
Not really, consider it the same as the response of the western world to the last 60 years of Palestinian suffering. i.e. depraved indifference. The next time anyone asks me my opinion on terrorism by Palestinians, I'm going to emulate the western model of response to terrorism against Palestinians.