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The Syrian "Revolution": A Farce from Beginning to End
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I'm slooooowly plowing through. By the time the war's over I should be done.
Crazy Japanese end-of-world cults made some, although using different deployment. If they can do it, the Rebs can. The Russians didn't find any shelf stabilizers in the earlier attack at Khan-al-Assal and that suggests to me that it was local production.
Yeah and sometimes chickens lay golden eggs.
LOL, if that is so, I guess you are the fellow who didn’t graduate from grade school or 5th grade spelling.
How about if they put an Afghan wedding party on top of it?
Jesus, I'm pounding on Bells like a Syrian weapons depot.
So one cannot use a poor weapon effectively? And you were in the services? Really?
I'd be interested in you finding a word I've spelled wrong. How's that high school degree holding up?
The cold hard truth is economics for him and most soldiers with a fair amount of time in service, he has close to 15 years in and is not willing to throw that away. I could ask him to all day, but hey, that is not going to happen! So, there are consequences for his decision and we will both bear them. He is both honourable and great of heart, but in the end it really does come down to economics and not dishonor.
wegs, I think it is indeed a "Farce" - in an Orwellian "1984" kind of way - how the "mass media" has seemed to shirk it's duty to produce deeply investigated and fully evidenced facts - and instead seems to just "sell" the current "flavor of the week" in some weird way to maintain a world Zeitgeist.
I have no doubt that the things in Syria have played out the way that whoever is making the decisions, whether Al-Qaida, or Assad, or Islamic Militants or whomever, thought it would, albeit with more than a few mis-steps along the way.
There are definitely multiple "Agendas" involved and the average world citizen will have no choice but to accept and endure the ultimate outcome, just the same as in previous Wars of unintended consequences.
It seems that there is a current "pause" due to what to I, dmoe, sense might be due to the "hiccup" that Iran has recently signaled that it might not immediately jump into the fray to aid Syria's Government. - (I can hear the ammo being loaded now - so that the rounds can start firing my way to let me know just how wrong that I, dmoe, am!...meh!)
As I have stated before - I still firmly believe that this is NOT just about Syria - and there seem to be other Posters that have similar views.
wegs, yes I comment a lot on the Thread Title - Posts should not be about name-calling or personal accusations - they should be about : The Syrian "Revolution": A Farce from Beginning to End...!!!
p.s. Wegs, this was Posted(not by me) 4 days ago in a different thread. If you have not read it - you may find it interesting.
I was going to post the same link previously but figured that the source would not be valid to the Poster asking for "...proof...control...".
At any rate (here I go, possibly slitting my own throat AGAIN...meh!).
Maybe you could check it out and give me your thoughts?
link : http://rense.com/general27/jlobby.htm
I have no doubt that the things in Syria have played out the way that whoever is making the decisions, whether Al-Qaida, or Assad, or Islamic Militants or whomever, thought it would, albeit with more than a few mis-steps along the way.
There are definitely multiple "Agendas" involved and the average world citizen will have no choice but to accept and endure the ultimate outcome, just the same as in previous Wars of unintended consequences.
It seems that there is a current "pause" due to what to I, dmoe, sense might be due to the "hiccup" that Iran has recently signaled that it might not immediately jump into the fray to aid Syria's Government. - (I can hear the ammo being loaded now - so that the rounds can start firing my way to let me know just how wrong that I, dmoe, am!...meh!)
As I have stated before - I still firmly believe that this is NOT just about Syria - and there seem to be other Posters that have similar views.
wegs, yes I comment a lot on the Thread Title - Posts should not be about name-calling or personal accusations - they should be about : The Syrian "Revolution": A Farce from Beginning to End...!!!
p.s. Wegs, this was Posted(not by me) 4 days ago in a different thread. If you have not read it - you may find it interesting.
I was going to post the same link previously but figured that the source would not be valid to the Poster asking for "...proof...control...".
At any rate (here I go, possibly slitting my own throat AGAIN...meh!).
Maybe you could check it out and give me your thoughts?
link : http://rense.com/general27/jlobby.htm
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quinnsong, my best answer as to "what", would be "economics". As far as "who"...well the Middle East has been in the finely focused "cross-hairs" of many, many nations/governments/corporations for well over a century at least.
While in the employ of my government - it was more or less the S.O.P. to see who the "beneficiaries" of any action were.
You start with who would benefit the most - in the case of the "Arab Spring" and the "Syrian Revolution" - there are many who stand to "Benefit" from any "Regime Change" - from "Major Players" (Russia, China, U.S.,...) - to the "Smaller" (Iran, Egypt,...).
Power, Control, Wealth...these are evidently prime motivators to some "Entities"!
Heck, there is even the possibility that "Religious Zealots" are indeed behind it all!
quinnsong, you do of course realize that I was "WRONG", prior to beginning to type these answers - I probably still am - after all, it is I, dmoe, Posting this!
Good luck, quinnsong. Hope it doesn't come to the pass of ground troops.
The irony about a dictatorship, is that there is always chaos in such ''societies'', at the end of the day. When a government is not by the people and for the people, but against the people, we will continue to see this type of fall out from other parts of the world, as well. I've just always found iron fist dictatorships to be ironic in that way. Dictators try so hard to control everyone and everything...but in the end, their empires are the weakest of them all.
Does anyone here think that an established democracy could/would change things in the middle east?
Regarding the media...there are only a handful of sources (I posted a link a few pages back) that I'd trust to give accurate, factual ''news.'' The vast majority are in it for ratings and money, and I'm rather over the newscasters ''personalities'' taking over said news shows. It's become more about flash and nonsense, than sincere, accurate news reporting. It's troubling, because the public deserves to know the truth.
Gah!
/rant
wegs, again, you seem to get it.
You ask : "Does anyone here think that an established democracy could/would change things in the middle east?"
I am not sure that since the advent of "Capitalism", there has ever been a true "Democracy" on this planet!
I live in the U.S., and I can tell you flat out that it is not a "True Democracy", and has not been for at least a Century!
As far as "Dictators" go, I must agree with you as far as more modern history goes.
Heck, it sometimes seems like in my country, we get to pick a somehow "preselected" choice of "Dictators" every 4 or 8 years (sarcasm - possibly - humor...)!
One of the main things that I have gotten out of my study of the History of Civilizations on this planet since the "Dawn of Man" is this - I paraphrase an age-old quote that I am in no way sure of who originated it :
- quote -"Any civilization based on the separation of classes will eventually cease to exist" - unquote -
"Regarding the media..."! Aha! Therein lies the rub!
I firmly agree when you say : "It's troubling, because the public deserves to know the truth."
It seems,to me, dmoe, that by whomever and for whatever reason, it has been decided that the Public only deserves to know the "prepackaged, distilled, homogenized, pasteurized, cold-filtered, artificially flavored and sweetened Truth"!
me rant, too...meh
You ask : "Does anyone here think that an established democracy could/would change things in the middle east?"
I am not sure that since the advent of "Capitalism", there has ever been a true "Democracy" on this planet!
I live in the U.S., and I can tell you flat out that it is not a "True Democracy", and has not been for at least a Century!
As far as "Dictators" go, I must agree with you as far as more modern history goes.
Heck, it sometimes seems like in my country, we get to pick a somehow "preselected" choice of "Dictators" every 4 or 8 years (sarcasm - possibly - humor...)!
One of the main things that I have gotten out of my study of the History of Civilizations on this planet since the "Dawn of Man" is this - I paraphrase an age-old quote that I am in no way sure of who originated it :
- quote -"Any civilization based on the separation of classes will eventually cease to exist" - unquote -
"Regarding the media..."! Aha! Therein lies the rub!
I firmly agree when you say : "It's troubling, because the public deserves to know the truth."
It seems,to me, dmoe, that by whomever and for whatever reason, it has been decided that the Public only deserves to know the "prepackaged, distilled, homogenized, pasteurized, cold-filtered, artificially flavored and sweetened Truth"!
me rant, too...meh
Ahhh...ok. I see the bigger picture now of where you have been coming from, here. You view capitalism as the driver of the bus with Syria...which is why you made the comment a few pages back..."USraeli." You are not a bigot, you are against capitalism which you, dmoe, believe is the driver of this "farce" of a situation.
Am I right?
Am I right?
Ahhh...ok. I see the bigger picture now of where you have been coming from, here. You view capitalism as the driver of the bus with Syria...which is why you made the comment a few pages back..."USraeli." You are not a bigot, you are against capitalism which you, dmoe, believe is the driver of this "farce" of a situation.
Am I right?
Am I right?
wegs, you seem to have felt so strongly about it that you had to Post it twice, wiink!
First off, I am not purely "against" capitalism, however capitalism run amok!
There is nothing wrong with making a profit - but to give up your humanity for a few more pieces of silver?
If you look at "capital" as more than just the "Money" side of it - and look at "capital" also encompassing power over labor/citizens and control of resources - kind of like "collateral" that you put up against a loan or Mortgage.
So if you look at the "Capitalism" in the context of ^^above^^, then yes, you could, in a sense say, it seems to be driving the bus.
The term USraeli - just shorthand I picked up in the military - they seem to be each others closest allies.
wegs, it really boils down that I am not so much "against" anything - it is more that I am FOR most everything that is truly great about human civilization. I believe that every individual should have the right to self determination and individual freedom - as long as exercising that freedom does not take away another individuals rights to the same.
wegs, as far as - are you right- we are probably too far apart in age and life experience, for either one of us to completely "get" the other - my mind and values and morals were shaped by a whole different atmosphere than in the world today.
Heck, I graduated High school, got my first Associates Degree and enlisted in the Army, probably before you were born.
Like I've told you before though, you seem to be getting it!
I seem to remember you once used the term, agree to disagree - so...
When you ask : Am I Right - let me answer : Way more right than wrong...say, 99.44% right...Okay?
So one cannot use a poor weapon effectively? And you were in the services? Really?
You are not making any sense. One can use a knife effectively, but it isn’t going to help you when you are confronted by an enemy in an Apache helicopter. So as effective as you maybe with your knife, it isn’t going to help you when you are confronted by an Apache helicopter.
And as usual your contentions rely on assumptions that are not supported with evidence or reason. Do you really think Syria and its allies have more technology and military funding that the US? US troops easily ran over Iraqi troops using the same weapons 10 years ago and things haven’t gotten better for Syria in the interim.
Use spell checker once in a while and find out. As for the high school diploma, I’d say pretty well. It got me through college. How are your grade school studies holding up?
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Don't worry, DMOE says he's 60% Native, only a small bit Irish, so even though many Natives are also notoriously antisemitic, it's impossible to call it racism. Besides, just like white supremacists always say, Syrians are semites too, so it can't be antisemitism. Furthermore, he says he has one Jew friend who heartily laughs at his teasing about communism, taking the shattered world revolution in good humour, plus another Jew friend who brags about owning the world as one of God's chosen people; if he has at least 1 black friend named Sam who wears white suits and plays the piano, I think we can put the issue to rest and focus on what really matters, the Jew media conspiracy to pretend there are innocent men, women and children being victimized by the crackdown on Syrian Zionism. America made the mistake of getting involved once in 1941, let's not see it make the same mistake twice!
Thank you for somewhat clarifying your position here and in your posts to wegs. Let me also say I am not a happy capitalist either, I lean more towards a mixture of non exploitative capitalism (small to medium size businesses and nothing or no one to big to fail) and socialism. American involvement should be and I hope IS about upholding what modern civilization sees as abhorrent and inhumane and has no interest in anything other than that. Does America go to war just for humanitarian reasons?
I just have a sense of dread about the Syrian situation, I hope it is just hormones and not women's intuition! Since I am more of a tomboy it is probably hormones.Thanks Geoff!