The Syrian "Revolution": A Farce from Beginning to End

[Captain Kremmen]

Odd. The first war the French have shown up for in a while. Maybe they think that they have a better chance of selling the Islamists arms than the Syrians. New markets and all that.

America, of course, wouldn't take such cynical advantage. Arms merchants and all that.

The indecent haste must have some cause.
Why not wait for the inspector's report?

Most of the initial $Billions will be spent on these old faithfuls.

They can turn corners at traffic lights you know

What they should do, is to put Michael Gove's face on the front of every missile with a loudspeaker booming out "Disgwace! Disgwace!"
That would put the wind up them.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

Russia wants Assad to stay in order to protect its self interests. Their involvement to "aid" Syria has nothing to do with helping to resolve the overall conflict in the Middle East. It's obvious as to its only motive to even enter into the picture. Russia claims it has concerns over "Islamic militancy" taking over the region should Assad leave office, but to me, in what I've read, it only cares as to how such a situation could affect their special interests. Russia should be ashamed.

That's right. But only half the equation.
Now write much the same sentence substituting the words United States for Russia, and you've got the whole situation.

 

[wegs]

Haha, ok.

Touché

I didn't mean to be deliberately vague, my apologies.
Let me preface with that I think Obama's cautiousness is admirable. I see the broad picture of striking or not striking Syria.
But, I believe that Russia'a only remote desire to enter into this thing is fueled by its own gluttony for power and greed. The US has special interests, but if the US attacks Syria, it isn't doing so with that as a sole motive.
If that were the case, Obama would have jumped on this already.
His caution should be admired and should the US attack Syria, it would be only after careful consideration.

 

[Bells]

LIke father, like son..

President Bashar al-Assad's 11 year old son, Hafez al-Assad, took to Facebook to voice his opinion on the current crisis and the threat of a possible attack by the US. It seems the apple continues to fall close to the psycho tree in the al-Assad family:

The Facebook post in full (unedited):

12 hours we waited… 48 hours they said, we're waiting… they may have the best army in the world, maybe the best airplanes, ships, tanks than ours, but soldiers? No one has soldiers like the ones we do in Syria, if you ask me what rank would I rank American "soldiers" I wouldn't rank them the worst because the worst are soldiers, but America doesn't have soldiers, what it has is some cowards with new technology who claim themselves liberators, they said they supported the "revolution" but actually they made it, right now we're all syrian it doesn't matter if your with or against because that's democracy, the abilty to express yourself in your own way so when people say that they are against the "regime" it's fine but there's a difference between those people and the people who claim our flag green, it's like an offense to the country, but the worst is people who accuse the army of killing them, they accuse these men who are willing to risk they're lives and die to keep us safe, of killing us, well when these people say that "the army is gonna end beacuse America will attack" I can say that when America attacks it's gonna attack every syrian, with, against, terrorists, the army.

I can expect that some people may comment that America is more powerful than us, my response is that first you don't know what we have, second maybe they are stronger, maybe they will destroy the army, but they will never destroy these remnants and little bits of resistance, it's who we are, we were born to fight and resist, we will fight them everywhere until they get out if they came in in the first place, no matter how much hard they try to get us out of our holy land they will never succeed, it's where we come from it's where our roots and predecessors come from.

I just want them to attack sooo much, because I want them to make this huge mistake of beginning something that they don't know the end of it, just like Hezbollah defeated Israel and the NATO and by what? What did Hezbollah have back then? Some street fighters and some small rockets and a pile of guns, but they had belief, In theirselves and in their country and that's exactly what's gonna happen to America if it chooses invasion because they don't know our land like we do, no one does, victory is ours in the end no matter how much time it takes

​

Awww.. isn't he cute?

Must have made his papa so proud.

Good to see the arsehat gene has been passed on.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

President Bashar al-Assad's 11 year old son, Hafez al-Assad, took to Facebook to voice his opinion on the current crisis and the threat of a possible attack by the US. It seems the apple continues to fall close to the psycho tree in the al-Assad family:

The Facebook post in full (unedited):

12 hours we waited… 48 hours they said, we're waiting… they may have the best army in the world, maybe the best airplanes, ships, tanks than ours, but soldiers? No one has soldiers like the ones we do in Syria, if you ask me what rank would I rank American "soldiers" I wouldn't rank them the worst because the worst are soldiers, but America doesn't have soldiers, what it has is some cowards with new technology who claim themselves liberators, they said they supported the "revolution" but actually they made it, right now we're all syrian it doesn't matter if your with or against because that's democracy, the abilty to express yourself in your own way so when people say that they are against the "regime" it's fine but there's a difference between those people and the people who claim our flag green, it's like an offense to the country, but the worst is people who accuse the army of killing them, they accuse these men who are willing to risk they're lives and die to keep us safe, of killing us, well when these people say that "the army is gonna end beacuse America will attack" I can say that when America attacks it's gonna attack every syrian, with, against, terrorists, the army.

I can expect that some people may comment that America is more powerful than us, my response is that first you don't know what we have, second maybe they are stronger, maybe they will destroy the army, but they will never destroy these remnants and little bits of resistance, it's who we are, we were born to fight and resist, we will fight them everywhere until they get out if they came in in the first place, no matter how much hard they try to get us out of our holy land they will never succeed, it's where we come from it's where our roots and predecessors come from.

I just want them to attack sooo much, because I want them to make this huge mistake of beginning something that they don't know the end of it, just like Hezbollah defeated Israel and the NATO and by what? What did Hezbollah have back then? Some street fighters and some small rockets and a pile of guns, but they had belief, In theirselves and in their country and that's exactly what's gonna happen to America if it chooses invasion because they don't know our land like we do, no one does, victory is ours in the end no matter how much time it takes

​

Awww.. isn't he cute?

Must have made his papa so proud.

Good to see the arsehat gene has been passed on.

There are definitely a few disturbing viewpoints in that Post.

 

[wegs]

President Bashar al-Assad's 11 year old son, Hafez al-Assad, took to Facebook to voice his opinion on the current crisis and the threat of a possible attack by the US. It seems the apple continues to fall close to the psycho tree in the al-Assad family:

The Facebook post in full (unedited):

12 hours we waited… 48 hours they said, we're waiting… they may have the best army in the world, maybe the best airplanes, ships, tanks than ours, but soldiers? No one has soldiers like the ones we do in Syria, if you ask me what rank would I rank American "soldiers" I wouldn't rank them the worst because the worst are soldiers, but America doesn't have soldiers, what it has is some cowards with new technology who claim themselves liberators, they said they supported the "revolution" but actually they made it, right now we're all syrian it doesn't matter if your with or against because that's democracy, the abilty to express yourself in your own way so when people say that they are against the "regime" it's fine but there's a difference between those people and the people who claim our flag green, it's like an offense to the country, but the worst is people who accuse the army of killing them, they accuse these men who are willing to risk they're lives and die to keep us safe, of killing us, well when these people say that "the army is gonna end beacuse America will attack" I can say that when America attacks it's gonna attack every syrian, with, against, terrorists, the army.

I can expect that some people may comment that America is more powerful than us, my response is that first you don't know what we have, second maybe they are stronger, maybe they will destroy the army, but they will never destroy these remnants and little bits of resistance, it's who we are, we were born to fight and resist, we will fight them everywhere until they get out if they came in in the first place, no matter how much hard they try to get us out of our holy land they will never succeed, it's where we come from it's where our roots and predecessors come from.

I just want them to attack sooo much, because I want them to make this huge mistake of beginning something that they don't know the end of it, just like Hezbollah defeated Israel and the NATO and by what? What did Hezbollah have back then? Some street fighters and some small rockets and a pile of guns, but they had belief, In theirselves and in their country and that's exactly what's gonna happen to America if it chooses invasion because they don't know our land like we do, no one does, victory is ours in the end no matter how much time it takes

​

Awww.. isn't he cute?

Must have made his papa so proud.

Good to see the arsehat gene has been passed on.

That's the thing. You take one man out of power, and his offspring may reign someday, with the same deranged, tyrannical viewpoint.
Only thing I'll say to it, not so much in defense of this boy, but it deserves mentioning...if we were raised by a psychopath, we too might end up thinking like one.
Some kids have no chance at a normal life.

 

[Yazata]

The Parliamentary vote was really interesting to watch. What effect will this have on the 'special relationship'?

Probably not much. The 'special relationship' has been fading anyway. Barack Obama is probably the first US president who doesn't really have any personal emotional ties to Europe. The US is in the process of reducing its reliance on the old north Atlantic alliance as it 'pivots' towards Asia.

And there's the fact that this Syrian adventure is hugely unpopular with the American people. So while the British parliamentary vote might make some people in Washington DC very unhappy, it expressed a position that most Americans probably agree with. I don't think that the American public will be angry with Britain or feel they they have abandoned the US.

The British have already deployed a nuclear submarine full of Tomahawk cruise missiles to the eastern Mediterranean. And now that it won't be getting orders to fire, the US has apparently ordered an additional US ship into the area. So that part of the British contribution can be replaced. There was also some talk about Royal Marines and stuff, but I'm not sure if I believe that. I really doubt if the UK was interested in sending ground forces into Syria. But conceivably there might have been some plan in the works to send in US and UK special forces to destroy chemical weapons stockpiles or something. Presumably the US could still attempt that on its own, on the remote chance that they are really considering it. Somehow I don't see Obama doing that, he's too risk-averse.

A potentially serious problem for the US is that if Britain isn't on board, not only will they not be launching their own RAF missions from the strategic British bases in Cyprus, presumably they won't be letting the US launch from those bases either. Cyprus is kind of like a giant unsinkable aircraft carrier off the Syrian coast. Without access to the British bases there, some US plans might suddenly be in trouble. In the last few days, the Guardian has reported that civilian airliner pilots flying west from Cyprus to Europe have reported visually spotting unidentified C-130's flying east towards Cyprus from out of their cockpit windows, as well as spotting what looked like small formations of jet fighters on their radar, also heading towards Cyprus. So obviously somebody had some plans to use those bases for something.

That brings up the subject of Turkey. Turkey has been arming and supplying the rebels for a long time, has been giving them safe haven, and has been calling for action about the chemical weapons. But have they actually come out and said that they are going to take part in this upcoming strike? If Turkey is on board, then Britain's bases in Cyprus become kind of moot. The US already has its own air base in Turkey that it could use if Ankara gives the green-light. And Turkey has a large and capable airforce of its own.

BTW, I saw reports yesterday that the US recently sent USAF F-16's (one report said six, the other twelve) to Jordan. They are operating out of a Jordanian air base. Jordan hasn't exactly supported these Syrian strikes publicly, so it's interesting to speculate whether they are supporting us secretly, or whether the American jets are just a precaution in case war spills over their border. This ties in with reports that the US and the Saudi's have been clandestinely supplying the rebels through Jordan, as well as the more open Saudi and Qatari support flowing through Turkey.

 

[Bells]

That's the thing. You take one man out of power, and his offspring may reign someday, with the same deranged, tyrannical viewpoint.
Only thing I'll say to it, not so much in defense of this boy, but it deserves mentioning...if we were raised by a psychopath, we too might end up thinking like one.
Some kids have no chance at a normal life.

Indeed they do not. Because for some kids, they get bombed with napalm or some other sort of chemical weapons in a playground.. [Warning - graphic, disturbing and justifies why intervention is needed]..

But you bring up an interesting point. al-Assad's son will not be too different from his father. His current attitude matches that of his father's rhetoric quite well.

However, the flip side of the al-Assad's psychotic mentality is that of the victims.

These kids know the world knows their plight. They also know the world and the West in particular is not doing anything to help them. I don't think we are even sending them medical supplies. How do you think that will shape their views of the world and the West?

The West's refusal to respond to al-Assad's chemical use and his continued bombing of his own people is creating a whole new generation of youngsters who will grow up to despise the West, and so they should. Because the West is sitting idly by, fretting over the cost of missiles that could be used to stop al-Assad from doing it again.

Terrorists are bred out of hatred and desperation. And by the time we come to the end of this war in Syria, there will be a generation of men and women who will hate us and want to make us pay for doing nothing to protect them when they were innocent children and targeted by al-Assad's troops in their homes, schools and playgrounds.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

I personally do not have an account or use Facebook - but I did find this while researching what the 11 year old son of Assad wrote. This may or may not be a "reliable" or "reputable" source!

Below is quoted from this link : http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/tech/social-media/facebook-fake-accounts/

quote - "According to the network's terms of service, users are not allowed to have more than one Facebook personal account or make accounts on behalf of other people. Parents creating Facebook accounts for their young kids are violating two rules, since people under 13 are not allowed to have Facebook profiles." - unquote

Will keep searching!

 

[youreyes]

It's disgusting how the West is able to control its people and tell them whatever fits the country national goals. The Syria conflict, staged by US, just like the Libyan and Egyptian conflicts, is causing death of millions of people. Meanwhile back in US the cozy stay at home moms are telling us here what they saw on US television like it is a fact.

Watch more CNN lies Bells, if you don't care about the truth.

What will stop U.S. from attacking another country just like Libya, Egypt, and Syria, again? Who will?

 

[youreyes]

However, the flip side of the al-Assad's psychotic mentality is that of the victims.

The flip side of Obama's and Kerry's psychotic mentality and that of the victims, staged wars across the world, is that Pentagon is behind this, not just them.

The flip side of US people psychotic mentality is that they are not at fault themselves, but the media that has control over them.

 

[GeoffP]

They've been quite active in Mali recently. There does seem to be shift in their attitude towards foreign policy. Hollande is more Hawkish than we thought I guess. (That or they don't want to get slagged off by Americans anymore after Iraq/Afghanistan)

Ahhhh yes yes yes - I'd forgotten Mali. You're quite right. Still, that is a carry-over from French colonialism... then again, that's not a meme I'd expect a Socialist to necessarily honour. Odd. He did promise to pull out of Afghanistan early; don't know if France actually did. Either way, it is unusual - but there is an old French-Syrian connection.

It's not like the US are rushing in for the good of their own health.

Political health, perhaps. Why exactly are the Americans going? And I think we've passed that phase where we say "why, for honour, goodness and the preservation of decency" in response to that. Right-wingers are suggesting connections between Obama and Islamist philosophy - not very well founded, although there is a certain pattern.

The indecent haste must have some cause.
Why not wait for the inspector's report?

See above for the mention about the common good. Is Obama seeking to further his international status? And if so, with whom? Europe, presumably, but Britain isn't playing ball, while France is. Playing off the Brits against the Continentals? The Syrians won't like him no matter what he does. Nervous Saudis?

Most of the initial $Billions will be spent on these old faithfuls.

They can turn corners at traffic lights you know

What they should do, is to put Michael Gove's face on the front of every missile with a loudspeaker booming out "Disgwace! Disgwace!"
That would put the wind up them.

I'll take your expertise on wind as given.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

...Again...This may or may not be a "reliable" or "reputable" source!

John Kerry 1:00 pm news conference now playing @cnn.com

link : http://www.cnn.com/

New moon this weekend!

 

[GeoffP]

Terrorists are bred out of hatred and desperation. And by the time we come to the end of this war in Syria, there will be a generation of men and women who will hate us and want to make us pay for doing nothing to protect them when they were innocent children and targeted by al-Assad's troops in their homes, schools and playgrounds.

Bells, they'll hate the Americans no matter what they do (the newspapers and the Syrians). If Obama bombs, they will hate him for taking too long (Sun). If he bombs too much, they'll hate him for the civilian casualties (Guardian). If he bombs only a little, they'll hate him for indecision (Telegraph). And fuck the Times, anyway. The people will go the same way and if the Islamists win, they'll just preach hatred of the Yanks a little later, or else switch back over to the Israel vs. Palestine conflict again. It's not a winner.

 

[youreyes]

US is staging the terrorists in Syria, they are supplying them weapons. The Syrians do not need US "help" in destroying their government.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

US is staging the terrorists in Syria, they are supplying them weapons. The Syrians do not need US "help" in destroying their government.

youreyes, be careful, you are sounding like you are able to think for yourself!

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[Captain Kremmen]

I personally do not have an account or use Facebook - but I did find this while researching what the 11 year old son of Assad wrote. This may or may not be a "reliable" or "reputable" source!

Below is quoted from this link : http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/tech/social-media/facebook-fake-accounts/

quote - "According to the network's terms of service, users are not allowed to have more than one Facebook personal account or make accounts on behalf of other people. Parents creating Facebook accounts for their young kids are violating two rules, since people under 13 are not allowed to have Facebook profiles." - unquote

Will keep searching!

What should America do if Assad's son is caught breaking Facebook Rules?
Quick! Get it started before the Facebook inspectors get back.

 

[joepistole]

Here is the threat. Unlike Saddam, Assad really does have weapons of mass destruction and that is pretty much an undisputed fact. And with an increasingly unstable Syria, those weapons may fall into the hands any or all of the many terrorist organizations in the opposition. Assad has managed to create the non-nuclear Fukushima equivalent threat.

If this cannot be resolved peaceably and through diplomacy, the following military solution makes the most sense to me…a Turkish land invasion and occupation coupled with simultaneous US air and missile strikes and selective us of US Navy Seals and Marines to secure the regimes weapons of mass destruction. The big question is this, would Turkey be willing to make the investment in such an endeavor? If it comes down to a military solution, I think that one makes the most sense. I think Turkey could easily wipe out Assad and do a pretty good job of reconstruction. The US and Turkey could probably end the Assad regime and secure the WMD in a matter of hours. The big challenge will be in rebuilding Syria. A Turkish invasion and occupation would be much easier as the cultural and religious divides are not as great. Perhaps some other Arab League member states could assist in the occupation and rebuilding of Syria.

Unfortunately, Republicans in Congress will continue to use every opportunity including this one to thwart anything Obama does.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

Has the White House got a suggestion Box?

 

[dumbest man on earth]

Found this @wrh

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