The rejection of euthanasia is illogical

Measured as a human being? How do you measure human beings?

We can measure their productivity, if that is what you mean. And theirs' is next nothing,if not simply nothing.
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So you want to eliminate those human beings who you deem as unproductive members of society, but have no standard means of measuring productivity at all? Explain in more detail what you mean by a productive member of society, and then explain how abouts you plan on measuring individuals based on this...please :p
 
It's more of a matter of measuring what is unproductive, namely, laying in a bed hooked up to a machine as a vegetable doing nothing.
 
Norsefire said:
It's more of a matter of measuring what is unproductive, namely, laying in a bed hooked up to a machine as a vegetable doing nothing.
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You still havent given me a solid guidline for what is unproductive..you dont have to be hooked up to a machine to do nothing.;)
 
Norsefire said:
How is this good for the survival of the species?

This is a social darwinist world, then, that you propose...which I suppose is good for the survival of the species, although not for the survival of every individual.
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Social Darwinist ? That is what you are describing, pal. Nazi methods.
And your proposal is good for the survival of every individual ? LOL
The meddling is what boosted all these illnesses in the first place. You want to take it to the next step. And when one extrapolates on your standpoints one arrives at genetic modification, which is really just the next logical step from what you propose. Pandora's box.

Norsefire said:
Good is subjective; although it can be objective if it is taken from a specific stance, which is the subjective part

For instance, you might be on the stance that the survival of tomatoes is the ultimate priority; thus anything that threatens their survival is objectively bad from this position.
Measured as a human being? How do you measure human beings?

We can measure their productivity, if that is what you mean. And theirs' is next nothing,if not simply nothing.
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Utter nonsense.
 
shichimenshyo said:
You still havent given me a solid guidline for what is unproductive..you dont have to be hooked up to a machine to do nothing.;)
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Precisely.

We could use the communist guideline; if you're not in a factory or working, you're not productive.

Also we would have to take into consideration intellectual contributions to science.

At any rate, society can agree on what qualifies as productive, and eliminate the unproductive.
 
Enmos said:
Social Darwinist ?
And you proposal is good for the survival of every individual ?
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Yes it is. Every healthy individual.


The meddling is what boosted all these illnesses in the first place.
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You mean, meddling and sustaining the sick? Instead of eliminating them like nature would?

You're right.
 
Norsefire said:
Precisely.

We could use the communist guideline; if you're not in a factory or working, you're not productive.

Also we would have to take into consideration intellectual contributions to science.

At any rate, society can agree on what qualifies as productive, and eliminate the unproductive.
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Apparently you live isolated from society.peoples views differ on what is productive and what is not. If you work in a factory building Ipods what are you really contributing? What is your definition of contribution?
 
shichimenshyo said:
Apparently you live isolated from society.peoples views differ on what is productive and what is not. If you work in a factory building Ipods what are you really contributing? What is your definition of contribution?
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An economic contribution.
 
JDawg said:
All the time? You have a gift for overstatement.

The vast, vast majority of parents do not abort their children. As do the vast majority of parents who know there is a distinct possibility that the child will be mentally retarded.

So again, my point stands: There is a reason we don't already do it. Society does not operate this way because the vast majority of people do not operate this way. Most parents will keep their child regardless of the deformation or retardation.
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And you know this how? You know for a fact that women are not aborting children based on information they have on a child's health? Trust me it happens all the time. And about child abandonment, it does happen, it generally happens if a mother walks away from a child after birth or tried to care for the child and couldn't abandoning it completely to outside care.

So you may believe that individuals in our society do not practice eugenics but you are wrong. Most parents do not talk of aborting a child but they do it all the time. Just ask any pre-natal nurse or physician.

And maybe its best that a lot do abort since the system would be inundated with the helpless it doesn't have the resources to sustain.
 
Lucysnow said:
And you know this how? You know for a fact that women are not aborting children based on information they have on a child's health? Trust me it happens all the time. And about child abandonment, it does happen, it generally happens if a mother walks away from a child after birth or tried to care for the child and couldn't abandoning it completely to outside care.

So you may believe that individuals in our society do not practice eugenics but you are wrong. Most parents do not talk of aborting a child but they do it all the time. Just ask any pre-natal nurse or physician.

And maybe its best that a lot do abort since the system would be inundated with the helpless it doesn't have the resources to sustain.
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Trust you? No, that's not how it works, honey.

Provide some statistics to back up your ridiculous claim, and then we'll talk.
 
shichimenshyo said:
So our worth as human beings is measured by our production of goods and services and our contribution to that? That seems like a very narrow minded definition. :D
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How else is our "worth" measured? Remember, we need to keep emotion out of this.

Also it would be based on health more than anything; the unhealthy that cannot be fixed and cannot contribute are simply wastes of space

If approached without emotion and with pure logic
 
Enmos said:
Well, there you have it. You're insane.
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Plenty of people support transhumanism and genetic engineering. It's the next logical step in our evolution; we're at a time where we're able to not only alter the world around us, but us ourselves.
 
Norsefire said:
Plenty of people support transhumanism and genetic engineering. It's the next logical step in our evolution; we're at a time where we're able to not only alter the world around us, but us ourselves.
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Plenty of people are insane.
 
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