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[DiamondHearts]

Salaam, Muhammad very nice points, i can tell you are well educated in islamic theology. Allah swt bless you and your family.

The majority of the Islamophobists on this forum are idiots who use lies and deception to further their points. As you can see with the foolish posts to try to convince us that there are different versions of the Quran when infact there is only one version of Quran in original Arabic, and has always been so.

A poster presented some graphics of arabic words which he said are different in two versions of the Quran, yet the only difference was the script of Arabic used, which has no bearing on pronounciation and reading.

I know Arabic so it suprised me that someone could be so oblivious to the language, but try to teach us something of the language when even they themselves knew nothing of it, not even how to read it.

If the words of the Qur'an mean the same all over Islam, how come so many Muslems are declaired apostate and murdered by their fellow Muslems? in the name of Allah? it seems that not only is it Islam or die, it's may way of Islam or DIE!

Because Muslims are lead by the Americans to take different sides and used to secure Western hegemony of Iraq, that is why to distract the noble goal of opposition to America into a civil war.

Anyone who kills someone unjustly with full knowledge of this vile act will not smell even the fragance of Paradise.

The blood of an innocent believer is more valuable then the praying with the Holy Prophet (s) in the Holy Mosque.

You must understand not all Muslims follow their religion, however the majority of Muslims don't kill others.

Muslims believe Islam is the only religion correct in Allah's way, all other religions are incorrect. Islam is quite different then most other religions in that it teaches pure Monotheism of Allah swt who is beyond perfection.

In the Quran it says, 'To me my way and to your yours.'

Nanna, or Sin if you were Semitic as all Arabs and Jews are, was the chief god of Ur, a city-state in ancient Mesopotamia. It was a widely worshipped moon god that eventually evolved into al-Ilah, and it was represented by a crescent moon symbol. No mere coincidence there. That's the reason muslims use Allah while saying it's really just their name for god when in reality it's the modern name for Nanna/Sin/al-Ilah.

Not true at all. In the Quran it says Allah swt is the master of the sun, the moon, and the entire universe, which is His creation.

Do you even know what is the meaning of Al Ilah in Arabic?

Al Ilah means THE GOD which defines the oneness and singularity of Allah swt while dispelling with the notion of other gods. Allah swt is the name He uses for Himself in the Quran e kareem.

The first symbol of Islam used was the symbol of the kalima, which was on the black flag of the Holy Prophet (S). The crescent symbol was only adopted after the Turks became the rulers of the Islamic Khilafa. They used it as their symbol and it then evolved into a symbol representing Islam, in particular the Islamic State.

Your argument falls on all its foundations.

Peace.

 

[GeoffP]

The majority of the Islamophobists on this forum are idiots who use lies and deception to further their points. As you can see with the foolish posts to try to convince us that there are different versions of the Quran when infact there is only one version of Quran in original Arabic, and has always been so.

And your response to the evidence that the Quran was radically changed in the Third Caliphate was - what? Seemingly avoidance.

Because Muslims are lead by the Americans to take different sides and used to secure Western hegemony of Iraq, that is why to distract the noble goal of opposition to America into a civil war.

The civil war is being decided by Iraqis all on their own, without any help from anyone else. I am astounded that the Sunnis would object so sharply and so bitterly to an ending of their unbalanced hegemony over the people of Iraq.

The blood of an innocent believer is more valuable then the praying with the Holy Prophet (s) in the Holy Mosque.

Again - a believer. Not anyone else. For example, Diamond - and presumably this is the majority view in Pakistan, since she makes no effort to claim it's not - would have apostates killed without compunction. The same for homosexuals, I imagine. I wonder what she would do with a homosexual that left islam...can you execute someone twice?

Muslims believe Islam is the only religion correct in Allah's way, all other religions are incorrect. Islam is quite different then most other religions in that it teaches pure Monotheism of Allah swt who is beyond perfection.

Again with the bigoted anti-Christian insult. Present your evidence that Christianity is polytheistic, or cease forever this nonsensical shahada-based slander.

In the Quran it says, 'To me my way and to your yours.'

'Unless your way isn't the same way as my way, in which case I have to subjugate you, convert you or kill you.' Not so? I believe you've already stipulated to the above.

Geoff

 

[dattaswami]

peace on those who follow the right way to (ALLAH) the only great and unique god for the whole world and planets and all mankind and the only god who made everything .. made your brain and gave you eyes and life and he can take it and stop you from thinking and can force you to believe in him and erase all data programmed in your mind that give you ability to think there is another god

did you study the cells and biology ??

ALLAH made your brain cells and each millimeter from it

he could program your brain to know him only and never think in another god
could program you to do all right things and never make mistakes

ALLAH doesnt force people to believe in him




but ..... its a test .... big and hard test so he gives you the freedom to choose till this test ends and at last ...... heavens forever
or ... hell forever

first of all im not so good at english so excuse me if you find it hard to understand me ...

my name is muhammad and i live in egypt im 28 years old ... studied engineering and i got a high score on IQ tests ... i work on computer field

i entered this forum to give you some guide lines you may follow may not


if you deserve and ALLAH loves you ....he will guide you
if you dont deserve then none can guide you but ALLAH

i know there are closed minds and actually closed hearts everywhere in world

i got no time now to discuss everything here and too many questions i know all atheists asking like why god lets me feel hungry why do others die starving why are there volcanos why why ...

i just say if you find your way and know how great is ALLAH and that he doesnt need humans but humans need him and if you know that ALLAH is independant and we are poor and you know ALLAH is not unjust and if you know ALLAH isnt like us or similar to anything in world or in your imagination

if you know so and reach this point .. ( you will not reach it unles you deserve it ) if you reach it ... you will know that all these strange things are there to test you till the end and stresses all humans to pick the good and clean hearts and leave the dirty dead hearts

as if its GOLD being tested by fire scum goes to trash and only original and good GOLD left


read this example ....

lets suppose you made some puppets and you put them in a closed room

those puppets move using electricity or batteries and they dont see or know thier maker who made them

lets suppose those puppets has the ability to talk ..... and think ....


do they have the right to think that their maker is the same like them walks using electricity or needs batteries ?? .......

well well

take this one

you make a pc computer and this computer works using CDS and DVDS and hard disk

does the computer have the right to think that the human who made it

uses CDS or DVDS ?


......

humans come from mother and get born and they need food and they die and they are weak

so do we humans have the right to think that god is like us ??
he is born ??? ...... he eats ????? ......... he sleeps ????

he needs wife ...... ??

he needs son ....... ???

he borns ........ ??



he ..... ?? he ....... ?????



ok i give you translation for a small part of the QURAAN

QURAAN = the book of ALLAH contains words ALLAH sent to MUHAMMAD the muslim messenger prophet to teach people and warn them ...

QURAAN has many incridibles in all kinds ... scientific incridibles and natural
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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

[1] Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

[2] Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

[3] He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

[4] And there is none like unto Him.

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see ?

ALLAH is above what in your selves and your minds

try to wonder how great is that god who made skies and planets and planets we didnt see and things we dont know ???

earth + humans = a dot in this world = almost nothing in this existence

so .......does ALLAh need this (dot) or need to lie to this (dot) and say im your god ...... surrender to me you weak (dot) ??

how unjust is the human ... ALLAH created him and he was nothing

now he says god you are not there and i dont want you or need you !!

and says bad words about his god ...... god who can cut your tongue and can destroy you and the whole existence

in fact ALLAh doesnt need you but he is great kind to give those who follow his way give them heavens and everything and love them

ALLAH has great patience and you should know a fact came from ALLAH to his messenger MUHAMMAD

1 DAY of ALLAH = 1000 YEARS of humans <------- was corrected cause it was typed wrong .. i typed it 1000 days while the truth is 1000 years
yes you didnt read it wrong its right...... 1 day = 1000 YEARS
imagine it and be sure its a truth

if you believe ALLAH made this existence and everything then u believe he can do everything and he is not subjected to physical or dynamic laws !

ALLAH made laws ALLAH can destroy laws .. ALLAH made gravity and can deactivate it ALLAh made human and made him needs food and needs to sleep .. ALLAH made us and made our day and month and year

he has the full control on everything ...

how can ALLAH control all of this at once ??

how can he see all of us at once ??

well

he is not like us ....... as we said

he is over and above our brain's ability

all we know about ALLAH is what he told us

so what did he tell us ?? and how do you know ??

where ??


ok here it is


it is the ISLAM

www. islamway .com


islam is the way to know ALLAH

the only accepted religion from ALLAh

islam came after bible

bible was edited by humans and its has lots of human mistakes

the real bible was there yes before MUHAMMAD the last prophet of ALLAH

the bible was true when JESUS ( the prophet of ALLAH ) was there


we all muslims believe in all books came from ALLAH before muhammad and before islam

but we believe in those books was not edited or changed by humans

those books all over the years and history that have one main message

the message is ( there is only one god [ALLAH])

the real bible says that MUHAMMAD will FOLLOW JESUS

we all muslims believe that JESUS is a great prophet of ALLAH

but he is just a human eats and pisses and sleeps

another part from QURAAN
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59] The similitude of 'Isa before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him "Be": and he was.

[60] The Truth (comes) from thy Lord alone; so be not of those who doubt.


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so if you think that your god eats or sleeps or pisses and enters tolilette then how fool and unjust are you ?

if you think the great god who made the planets is like us borns and needs a son then how fool and unjust are you ???


we all muslims believe that MUHAMMAD is the last prophet for all people and he followed JESUS

MUHAMMAD for other prophets is like the last rock in building to be completed



at the end

ALLAH is there great very great very very noone can imagine how great is he


when you ask your self those question like why people die and why people steal .......

tell your self that .. ALLAH has control on my brain and he made my cells he can stop me of thinking in this issue and he can force me to forget it

but he lets me think in these things coz it is a test




AND now .... i gave you the way and the only way to ALLAH

islamway



read this translation of words of ALLAH in QURAAN :
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85] If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

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www.islamway.com

this site has english section

read about islam from trusted resources only and never give your ears to any enemy of islam





only those who deserve will follow it and find the way to ALLAH

try to find




one more thing before i leave ...

some people will say oooooh islaaaam ???

ohhhh terrorists !!!!!

killers !!


well well

if i got 10 childs and i gave them instructions that make the human perfect and good person


if 2 or 3 of them or even the 10 became theives

can you blame the instrctions or blame the childs coz they are not good and dont follow the right way ??



not all muslims are good and not all muslims are real muslims

and muslims by the way are humans who make rights and mistakes

but islam is the rules and messages of ALLAH islam is surrender to your god who made you

and a good thing you should know

every muslims will see ALLAH in other life after death


you dont see ALLAH in life coz if you see ALLAH there is no test then all is over

only muslims will enter heavens and non muslims who die non muslims will enter hell forever and no helper




.


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151] Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want - We provide sustenance for you and for them - come not nigh to shameful deeds, whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.

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killing in wars is something else

imagine u got a pretty wife and children and i came to your house to cut their necks or kill them
will u say thank you or u gonna fight me and try to kill me ??..... ?

the real terrorist can be usa who killed millions for one man or for petrol and land if i think using your way to think .




thanks for ALLAH for islam and being muslim



what was right in this letter its from ALLAH he caused me to do it

and what was wrong here its from my self i ask ALLAH to forgive me im trying to help people .


last thing now :

MUHAMMAD the prophet of ALLAH was ( illiterate )

he couldnt read or write

and ALLAH chose him to carry his message to people


lets read a part of the QURAAN

a translation of it .








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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

[1] Qaf. By the Glorious Qur-an (Thou art Allah's Apostle).

[2] But they wonder that there has come to them a Warner from among themselves. So the Unbelievers say: "This is a wonderful thing!"

[3] "What! when we die and become dust, (shall we live again?) That is a (sort of) Return far (from our understanding)."

[4] We already know how much of them the earth takes away: with Us is a Record guarding (the full account).

[5] But they deny the Truth when it comes to them: so they are in a confused state.

[6] Do they not look at the sky above them? How We have made it and adorned it, and there are no flaws in it?

[7] And the earth; We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs),

[8] To be observed and commemorated by every devotee turning (to Allah).

[9] And We send down from the sky Rain charged with blessing, and We produce therewith Gardens and Grain for harvests;

[10] And tall (and stately) palm-trees, with shoots of fruit-stalks, piled one over another;

[11] As sustenance for (Allah's) Servants; and We give (new) life therewith to land that is dead: thus will be the Resurrection.

[12] Before them was denied (the Hereafter) by the People of Nuh, the Companions of the Rass, the Thamud,

[13] The 'Ad, Fir'aun, the Brethren of Lut,

[14] The Companions of the Wood, and the People of Tubba'; each one (of them) rejected the Messengers, and My warning was duly fulfilled (in them).

[15] Were We then weary with the first Creation, that they should be in confused doubt about a new Creation?

[16] It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.


[17] Behold, two (guardian angels) appointed to learn (his doings) learn (and note them), one sitting on the right and one on the left.

[18] Not a word does he utter but there is a sentinel by him, ready (to note it).

[19] And the stupor of death will bring Truth (before his eyes): "This was the thing which thou wast trying to escape!"

[20] And the Trumpet shall be blown: that will be the Day whereof Warning (had been given).

[21] And there will come forth every soul: with each will be an (angel) to drive, and an (angel) to bear witness.


[22] (It will be said "Thou wast heedless of this, now have We removed thy veil, and sharp is thy sight this Day!"

[23] And his Companion will say: "Here is (his record) ready with me!"

[24] (The sentence will be "Throw, throw into Hell every contumacious Rejecter, (of Allah)!

[25] "Who forbade what was good, transgressed all bounds, cast doubts and suspicions;

[26] "Who set up another god beside Allah: throw him into a severe Penalty."

[27] His Companion will say: "Our Lord! I did not make him transgress, but he was (himself) far astray."

[28] He will say: 'Dispute not with each other in My Presence: I had already in advance sent you Warning.

[29] "The Word changes not before Me, and I do not the least injustice to My Servants."

[30] One Day We will ask Hell, "Art thou filled to the full?" It will say, "Are there any more (to come)?"

[31] And the Garden will be brought nigh to the Righteous; no more a thing distant.

[32] (A voice will say "This is what was promised for you, for everyone who turned (to Allah) in sincere repentance, who kept (His Law),

[33] "Who feared (Allah) Most Gracious unseen, and brought a heart turned in devotion (to Him):

[34] "Enter ye therein in Peace and Security; this is a Day of Eternal Life!"

[35] There will be for them therein all that they wish, and more besides in Our Presence.

[36] But how many generations before them did We destroy (for their sins); stronger in power than they? Then did they wander through the land: was there any place of escape (for them)?

[37] Verily in this is a Message for any that has a heart and understanding or who gives ear and earnestly witnesses (the truth).

[38] We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.

[39] Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting,

[40] And during part of the night, (also,) celebrate His praises and (so likewise) after the postures of adoration.

[41] And listen for the Day when the Caller will call out from a place quite near,

[42] The Day when they will hear a (mighty) Blast in (very) Truth: that will be the Day of Resurrection.

[43] Verily it is We Who give Life and Death; and to Us is the Final Goal,

[44] The Day when the Earth will be rent asunder, from (men) hurrying out: that will be a gathering together; quite easy for Us.

[45] We know best what they say; and thou art not one to overawe them by force. So admonish with the Qur-an such as fear My Warning!

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Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.

But this is not so, each religion says that their God only
Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!
One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here
And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,
The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!

They criticize that these religions do not have even
The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.
Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them
They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!
Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.

Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.
If you want to say that God created the entire world,
You have to accept that there is one God only always
And that His names are all the above three names.

We see in the world a single person having three names.
If there is one God, He only created this entire world.
All the human beings are invariably His children only.
No Father is partial to a single child and therefore
He must have preached the same knowledge to all
In different languages and in different methodologies
To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

 

[marv]

Bow down to Jehovah, Yaweh, Brahman, al-Ilah, some tree in the rain forest or just a rock on the riverbed; who cares? Religion can be an instrument of good or evil.

To be an instrument of good, a religion must do good works without expectation of return or demand allegiance to its deity. It must not demand death for those who leave for another deity. It must not encourage suicide by its followers with the expectation of some promised paradise that cannot be proved. Of the five major religions, only Islam fails because it is an instrument of evil.

There is an old saying, "If you have to carry around a sign saying who you are, you aren't." That is why muslims must spend so much time and effort defending "who they are" and excusing Islamic excesses. Muslims are intolerant and full of hate, and bring discredit to their simplistic beliefs.

"God" was the worst invention by man.

 

[Godless]

To be an instrument of good, a religion must do good works without expectation of return or demand allegiance to its deity.

Eh? No such religion exists. Buddahism may be the closest thing to the above statement, however they still try to convert people to their way of thinking. Taoism is basically the same, perhaps I don't know what religion would meet this criteria, would you elaborate?

Godless

 

[(Q)]

The majority of the Islamophobists on this forum are idiots who use lies and deception to further their points.

Let's see who exactly is behind that accusation:

Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam
If the words of the Qur'an mean the same all over Islam, how come so many Muslems are declaired apostate and murdered by their fellow Muslems? in the name of Allah? it seems that not only is it Islam or die, it's may way of Islam or DIE!

Because Muslims are lead by the Americans to take different sides and used to secure Western hegemony of Iraq, that is why to distract the noble goal of opposition to America into a civil war.

Did you get that, Buffalo Roam? The Americans are to blame. :bugeye:

The blood of an innocent believer is more valuable then the praying with the Holy Prophet (s) in the Holy Mosque.

The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. ~~ Tertullian.

You must understand not all Muslims follow their religion, however the majority of Muslims don't kill others.

Well, you see, its the ones that do kill others that give us concern.

 

[marv]

Any muslims wish to comment on these "peaceful" words?

 

[Godless]

Eh!! Won't they use the same excuse that Christians often do. "All these statements are out of context"?

 

[Michael]

Any Muslims wish to comment on these "peaceful" words?

As I read through some of this stuff I suddenly had an image of Mohammad as the wicked witch of the north saying: Fly my pretties, Fly! Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them.. EeeHeeeHeeeHeeee　… ... Fly Fly!!!!

Eh!! Won't they use the same excuse that Christians often do. "All these statements are out of context"?

Well, really, the quotes are not in a context. So they're not taken out of a contex. They simply illustrate that at some times Mohammed preached that is was good to kill some of Gods created fellow humans.




Here’s some context:

It’s particularly good to kill fellow humans that don’t agree with Mohammed. This becomes eminent when said fellow humans are trying to take back their land which Mohammed needed to grow more sheep as the desert is poor sheep growing land. And as the late Ayatollah pointed out, in times of need, a sheep can both be pleasured and sold off to the Bedouins for a tidy profit. I’m sure that if the late Ayatollah was clever enough to discern this then the O’ So enlightened Mohammed was surely aware of the satisfactory arrangement as well.　Hence: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.” I imagine maybe some lost verses follwed in Arabic as follows: I am the Big Guys messenger boy. yea shall give unto me your most softest a supplest of female, or in dire times pretty male, sheep. Oh sayest thy Lord whom needs me ..ME .....MEEEEE to hear his voice in my head and then tell it to you. Oh sure he could just tell you but that’d be no fun so he tells me and I tell you and right now I tell you that he wants me to have pretty sheeps even if you have to kill to geeeet me these of so holy sheeeeeep

 

[DiamondHearts]

A Lesson on Justice and Honor

Quite often, if one's friends are mentioned to him he speaks well of them, even if he knows that they don't deserve such tribute. Whereas when his enemies are mentioned to him, he sharply censures them even when he knows that what he is saying is false. Can the daai'ya point out defects that exist in his associates, those who may follow the same way and methodology as him!? Or even his partner in any particular task?! Can he truthfully show appreciation towards a person whom he disagrees with in some matters? If he can do this, then he has fulfilled justice in this area. But most people show injustice towards their antagonists by rebuking them for what cannot be ascribed to them. On the other hand, they show injustice towards their friends by showing them appreciation that they do not deserve…and even if this appears to be a manifestation of love and appreciation, it is not. For in reality it is degradation and tyranny. Therefore when one shows you appreciation which you don't deserve, he has indeed humiliated you. This is because if people who are expecting this quality from you cannot find it, then they are apt to censure you because you do not have it. Allah ta`ala ordered us to behave justly, even with enemies. "..And do not let hatred cause you to act unjustly, behave justly, that is nearer to piety." (Surat al-Maida:8) Unfortunately, even if we admit this lesson in theory, we quickly forget it in practice. We find ourselves neglecting a person, being unconcerned about him, paying no attention to him, and so often looking at his few bad qualities, while at the same time forgetting his many good qualities or vice-versa. No, but the matter is even worse! In fact more often we forget his many good qualities and capitalize on his few bad qualifies. We forget the shari`ah rule, "If the water is two jugs worth, it does not hold impurity!" [From a hadeeth narrated by Ahmad and the compilers of the Sunan, and it was authenticated by al-Tahawi, and Ibn Khuzaima and Ibn Hibaan and al-Dhababi, Nawawi and Ibn Hajr. See Irwa at- Ghaleel]

-Sheikh Salman Al Awdah

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=480

 

[Michael]

Salaam, Muhammad very nice points, i can tell you are well educated in islamic theology.

muhammad,

In what year and on what exact day and by exactly who or whom was the Qur'an canonized into the canon it is today?

Michael

 

[marv]

A Lesson on Justice and Honor

Quite often, if one's friends are mentioned to him he speaks well of them, even if he knows that they don't deserve such tribute. Whereas when his enemies are mentioned to him, he sharply censures them even when he knows that what he is saying is false. Can the daai'ya point out defects that exist in his associates, those who may follow the same way and methodology as him!? Or even his partner in any particular task?! Can he truthfully show appreciation towards a person whom he disagrees with in some matters? If he can do this, then he has fulfilled justice in this area. But most people show injustice towards their antagonists by rebuking them for what cannot be ascribed to them. On the other hand, they show injustice towards their friends by showing them appreciation that they do not deserve…and even if this appears to be a manifestation of love and appreciation, it is not. For in reality it is degradation and tyranny. Therefore when one shows you appreciation which you don't deserve, he has indeed humiliated you. This is because if people who are expecting this quality from you cannot find it, then they are apt to censure you because you do not have it. Allah ta`ala ordered us to behave justly, even with enemies. "..And do not let hatred cause you to act unjustly, behave justly, that is nearer to piety." (Surat al-Maida:8) Unfortunately, even if we admit this lesson in theory, we quickly forget it in practice. We find ourselves neglecting a person, being unconcerned about him, paying no attention to him, and so often looking at his few bad qualities, while at the same time forgetting his many good qualities or vice-versa. No, but the matter is even worse! In fact more often we forget his many good qualities and capitalize on his few bad qualifies. We forget the shari`ah rule, "If the water is two jugs worth, it does not hold impurity!" [From a hadeeth narrated by Ahmad and the compilers of the Sunan, and it was authenticated by al-Tahawi, and Ibn Khuzaima and Ibn Hibaan and al-Dhababi, Nawawi and Ibn Hajr. See Irwa at- Ghaleel]

-Sheikh Salman Al Awdah

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=480

This is just cut'n'paste

 

[Michael]

So the choice was:
3) OMG they know ….. they know!! .. .. .. ignore post … …. ignore post...

So what were those questions again?

YES or NO:
Was it OK when Tariq ibn Ziyad led the Muslims to kill the Catholic Visigoths and conquer Spain?

My A: No it was not. It was wrong.
Muslim A: It was just. And so were the Muslim wars of aggression and eventual conquest of Constantinople and Sicily.


YES or NO:
Where those Muslims evil colonizers?

My A: Yes colonization is wrong
Muslim A: No they were Muslim brothers trying to liberate not colonize. Kind of like Bush in Iraq. Mr. Liberator.


YES or NO:
Are ALL forms of Slavery wrong?

My A: Yes
Muslim A: No some slavery is right and Godly and God loves a Slave owner.



YES or NO:
Would you would be happy to live as a Slave in servitude to your Indian Hindu Master under the conditions described for the treatment of Slaves in the Qur'an?

My A: All slavery is wrong
Muslim A: Well no way. I Muslim so its OK for ME to own slaves. God will bless me owning slaves, but no no no I’m much to much of a hypocrite to be an owned slave. Allah only likes it when Muslims own slaves not the other way around dummy!



YES or NO:
Should a Muslim that proclaimed to have converted to Christianity be put to DEATH for his conversion out of Islam and into Christianity?

My A: No people should be able to believe in which ever fairytale takes their fancy.
Muslim A: No that’s no good people might listen to him and then more would convert. Better to kill him now.

YES or NO:
Should a Muslim that proclaimed to have converted to Judaism be put to DEATH for his conversion out of Islam and into Judaism?

My A: See above.
Muslim A: OoooOoooo horrible death horrible death!


Presently, ALL ME Islamic countries made ALL FORMS of Slavery illegal.
YES or NO:
Is banning ALL FORMS of Slavery against the teachings in the Qur’an?

My A: They must be, the Qur’an says its Godly to own Slaves and so if the States do not allow for Slavery then they are against the Good Qur’an Teachings of Slave ownership.
Muslim A: Exactly.



Also, another question you neglected:

Had Islam truly been a vehicle for the liberation of Hindu society from the evils of Brahminism (as is repeatedly proclaimed – and you claimed), then how was it that three centuries after the unqualified triumph of "Islam" in Sindh, Hindu society continued to survive just next door in Punjab, and the Islamic faith was able to win few converts amongst the majority of the Hindus, and not even amongst the discriminated caste communities?

The Answer: Without being able to convert Hindus by the sword, Islam is left with only its philosophy to win converts. Obviously Islam was not (is not) inspiring enough to win converts.



And had Sindh become this great center of learning and culture after its conquest by Bin Qasim, how was it that Al-Beruni (an avowed Muslim) was studying Hindu scientific texts in Punjab, but not "Islamic" scientific texts in Sindh?

The Answer: Because the Hindu scientific texts were the superior. The only Islamic texts at the time would have been those that were copied from others. The Arabs were not renown for their science that’s for sure. Al-Beruni was smart enough to realize this and so migrated to live amongst the learned Hindu.

 

[Michael]

I also wonder:

YES or NO:
Should Christians be allowed to proselyte in Saudi Arabia?

Muslim answer: NO. I think it is OK for Muslims to move to Xian, Hindu and Buddhist countries and freely practice Islam, even if it causes harm to the harmony of their societies (India). But being a Muslim Hypocrite I do not want Xians, Jews, Hindu’s, and Buddhists allowed in Saudi Arabia to freely warship their dirty religions.

YES or NO:
Should Muslims be allowed to proselyte in America?

Muslim answer: YES

YES or NO:
Should Hindus be allowed to proselyte in Saudi Arabia?

Muslim answer: NO I am a hypocrite.

YES or NO:
Should Christians be allowed to build Churches in Saudi Arabia?

Muslim answer: NO I am a hypocrite.

YES or NO:
Should Muslims be allowed to build Mosques in America?

Muslim answer: YES

YES or NO:
Should Hindus be allowed to build Temples in Saudi Arabia

Muslim answer: NO I am a hypocrite.

 

[Michael]

YES or NO:
DO you think it was OK for the Taliban to destroy the Buddhist Statues in Afghanistan?
Muslim A: YES because they could have spent the money on food.

YES or NO:
DO you think it would be OK for Buddhists to destroy the Kaaba in Saudi Arabia?
Muslim A: NO because that’s different and I am a hypocrite.

 

[Michael]

YES or NO:
DO you think it is OK for a 9 year old post-pubescent child to be betrothed to a 45 year old man?

Muslim A: It is if it is Mohammad (pbuh) because that’s Allah’s (pbuh) will.

 

[DiamondHearts]

The sign of scrupulous piety (al-wara`) is considering ten things mandatory upon oneself:

1. Guarding the tongue from backbiting due to the saying of the Most High: “Do not backbite one another.” [49:12]
2. Shunning suspicion due to the saying of the Most High: “Avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin.” [49:12] And also due to the saying of the Messenger, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam, “Avoid suspicion, for airing suspicion is the most lying form of speech.” [Musnad Ahmad]
3. Shunning mockery due to the saying of the Most High: “Let not a people ridicule another people; perhaps they may be better than them.” [49:11]
4. Lowering gaze from forbidden things due to the saying of the Most High: “Tell the believing men to lower their gaze.” [24:30]
5. Truthfulness of the tongue due to the saying of the Most High: “And when you speak, be just.” [6:152]
6. Recognizing the blessings of Allah the Most High upon oneself in order to avoid conceitedness due to the saying of the Most High: “Rather, Allah has conferred favor upon you that He has guided you to the faith, if you should be truthful.” [49:17]
7. Spending one’s wealth on good rather than bad things, due to the saying of the most High: “And those who, when they spend, do so not excessively or sparingly.” [25:67] Meaning, they do not spend on sinfulness and do not prevent obedience, “but are ever, between that, [justly] moderate.” [25:67]
8. Not seeking haughtiness and pride for oneself, due to the saying of the Most High: “That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption.” [28:83]
9. Maintaining with care the five prayers on time, with proper bowing and prostration, due to the saying of the Most High: “Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle [`asr] prayer and stand before Allah, devoutly obedient.” [2:238]
10. Steadfastness upon the way of Sunnah and Jama`ah, due to the saying of the Most High: “And, this is My Path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.” [6:153]

Imam as-Samarqandi

Tanbeeh al-Ghafileen 2:518-519

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=648

 

[Michael]

AKA: I plead the 5th for obvious reasons.


These questions are just that ..... questions. You provide the answer, not I.
They have been sitting here for weeks.
And, as I read your posts, in one way or another you have answered as I have written.
- You state that Islamic sanctioned Slavery is good and part of Gods will.
- You justified the distructive actions of the Taliban in regards to the most holy Buhddist site in the world.
- You justfy the betrothment of a 45+ year old man to a child.
- You support the potential (and likely) killing of gays, even if the person was your own child.
- You think Islam should be allowed to be openly practed anywhere in the world, but hypocritically you'd ban other religions from doing likewise in Islamic countries.


Sorry if the truth hurts DH, but such is life.

Michael

 

[Michael]

muhammad,

In what year and on what exact day and by exactly who or whom was the Qur'an canonized into the canon it is today?

The answer is:
The Qur'an wasn't completed on a particular day. It evolved over time just like the Bible. That's why when you looked and looked you couldn't find the answer. As it evolved people fought over the meaning. Wisely Uthman understood that if the Qur'an were to useful in ruling his new empire he would have to have it standardized (and made a bit more flattering here and there). Thus the Qur'an you have in your hand my friend. Or at least one pretty close to it.

Cheers,
Michael

 

[GeoffP]

So Diamond has essentially given up and has taken to propaganda instead of debate.

Should I now do the same?

Geoff